Nova Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Please rate my pictures ! https://bit.ly/PhotoBookGaetanMariage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) Hi Gaetan, Welcome to Alamy. You can look at people's portfolios by clicking on the blue number under their pseudonym on the left hand side of one of their posts. You've got an interesting mix of pictures, definitely saleable. Two main reasons why you're not seeing sales: 1. You have a very small collection. Rough average on Alamy is 1 sale per thousand images per month. 2. You've only just joined. Some clients can take 3 months to report a sale; most licenses are not reported immediately. You might have already licenses some images, but might not find out for a few weeks yet. Just a general note. Alamy is more of an older style agency that sells fewer licenses, but for larger sums generally. Microstock agencies have a stack em high and sell them cheap business model. So they sell a lot of images, for pennies. Microstock is dragging the whole industry in its wake though and Alamy is perhaps more of a hybrid these days. Some other comments quickly: Alamy is primarily an editorial agency. Not sure how well your photoshop manipulated images will do here. You have images of album covers with no context. These are essentially artwork and are copyright. You might sell some, but equally, any agency you have them up on might get sued. Alamy is generally getting people to cull them from their collections. Same goes for paintings and any other artwork. Captions are searchable by clients. Use all 150 characters available to you. Your locations are often missing. If you're a client searching for a particular image and have 100 thumbnails on a search page, you're probably going to move swiftly on if an image has a caption with insufficient information. Some more advice on captions: https://www.alamy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Captions-and-Tags-checklist.pdf https://www.alamy.com/blog/tips-for-your-captions-from-the-sales-team https://www.alamy.com/blog/captions-and-tags Good luck, Steve p.s. just had more of a look, you've got loads of similar images, which means your 395 image collection is actually in effect a lot smaller. Edited July 16 by Steve F 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 increase your collection size X10 without sacrificing quality or variety & then you should start seeing weekly licenses, IMO 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 Thanks guys ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 17 Author Share Posted July 17 I'm using AI for generating keywords. ChatGPT is doing a good job, but Claude 3.5 is way ahead. Here is my prompt: "write 40 keywords describing this picture optimised for stock photo site, separate each word with a comma" Keywords are embedded in the picture's metadata in Lightroom, and then show up automatically in Image Manager. 40 keywords leave some headroom for manual tagging in case the AI misses something, like abstract concepts or locations. Does that make sense in the eyes of a seasoned photo stock producer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted July 17 Share Posted July 17 56 minutes ago, Nova said: I'm using AI for generating keywords. ChatGPT is doing a good job, but Claude 3.5 is way ahead. Here is my prompt: "write 40 keywords describing this picture optimised for stock photo site, separate each word with a comma" Keywords are embedded in the picture's metadata in Lightroom, and then show up automatically in Image Manager. 40 keywords leave some headroom for manual tagging in case the AI misses something, like abstract concepts or locations. Does that make sense in the eyes of a seasoned photo stock producer ? Alamy just has a keywording seminar, which will be uploaded soon and will answer all your questions. But, one important thing from that seminar was: e.g. your image Mexican traditional dance dress clothing - Image ID: 2XEEP6P almost all of your keywords are two or more words. Which is great in a way, because someone searching for 'mexican heritage' will find your image higher up on the search results. But apparently, anyone searching for 'mexican' or 'heritage' on their own will not find your image. Also, include British and American spellings, e.g. color and colour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) On 17/07/2024 at 19:49, Steve F said: almost all of your keywords are two or more words. Which is great in a way, because someone searching for 'mexican heritage' will find your image higher up on the search results. But apparently, anyone searching for 'mexican' or 'heritage' on their own will not find your image. That's new if that's the case.... Previously single word searches would show matches with images with that word within a tag phrase. I think that needs testing* to check. If so it's potentially good news as it could eliminate lots of false hits, but some mods to tagging maybe required. *A quick check on my images shows my images which have listed building as a tag (and not in caption or as single word tags) are appearing in searches for listed. So unless this is a change Alamy are going to introduce in the future, or I've misunderstood what you're saying, that advice from Alamy isn't right. Mark Edited July 18 by M.Chapman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 (edited) For some reason, ChatGPT decided to generate one-word tags, while Claude 3.5 decided to generate several words tags. I'm using both for testing. I think Alamy should come up with their own automatic tagging system so we can stop worrying about trying to understand how algorithms work. Has anyone tried ChatGPT or Claude 3.5 for tagging ? Would it make sense to integrate AI functionality in Image Manager ? Edited July 18 by Nova Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 27 minutes ago, M.Chapman said: That's new if that's the case.... Previously single word searches would show matches with images with that word within a tag phrase. I think that needs testing* to check. If so it's potentially good news as it could eliminate lots of false hits, but some mods to tagging maybe required. *A quick check on my images shows my images which have listed building as a tag (and not in caption or as single word tags) are appearing in searches for listed. So unless this is a change Alamy are going to introduce in the future, or I've misunderstood what you're saying, that advice from Alamy isn't right. Mark Mark, thanks for that. That was my understanding of what they said in the seminar. But I hope you're right, I've also got quite a lot of two word tags, without me necessarily having the single words, to try to cut down on false positives in searches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Harrison Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 17/07/2024 at 19:49, Steve F said: But apparently, anyone searching for 'mexican' or 'heritage' on their own will not find your image. I didn't interpret anything that was said in the seminar that would imply that was true, and it doesn't appear to be as 2XEEP6P comes up if you search for either 'mexican' or 'heritage' within Nova's images. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 18 Author Share Posted July 18 Now I'm even more confused. I'll use both methods when in doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 22 Author Share Posted July 22 I just spent a month and a half uploading my photo stock (400 pictures) for no results. Seems like a lot of work load for nothing. A great business model for Alamy, but not that much for contributors. Only worth it if the work load can be reduced with the help of AI (Automatic tagging). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Ventura Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 20 minutes ago, Nova said: I just spent a month and a half uploading my photo stock (400 pictures) for no results. Seems like a lot of work load for nothing. A great business model for Alamy, but not that much for contributors. Only worth it if the work load can be reduced with the help of AI (Automatic tagging). Nova, there was a time when you could make sales with just 400 photos but that time has long sailed past. There is just so many good photos on this site and all the other photo agencies. You will need 10 to 20 times what you have to start seeing regular sales, provided your photos are good and sought after. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, Nova said: Seems like a lot of work load for nothing. It is a lot of work. It's taken me 9 years to get to 5577 images. It's also not a great way of making money. Unless you're really into photography as a hobby - it's not really worth it commercially anymore unless you really specialise or have a large collection already. You can see how some people do every month here: https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/17815-how-was-your-june-2024/ Bear in mind these are the gross figures reported, before Alamy takes a commission. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 I joined Alamy in March of 2009. My first sale was September of 2010. Then nothing until July of 2011. I don't make a whole lot of money doing this but I usually can pay for one month a year of my rent and utilities. I think it all has to be enjoyable or it's hard to have enough patience. Paulette 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 Thank you - and goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radim Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Goodbye 👋 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca Ore Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Too many of the same piranha mouth. On the Lucha Libre shots -- set up a few action sequences, maybe three photos per sequence. (His photos are still up). Alamy makes money by having oodles of variety including stuff that almost nobody else has up. B. Commit Dutch Tilts at your own risk. You can slide eyes right out of the photo. For a number of things, pick the best landscape shot, best portrait shot, maybe a detail closeup, and move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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