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If you want an insight of how it looks on the other side of  Live News , have a read of this article on how the Guardian picture editor works

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/may/26/our-human-response-is-vital-snapshot-of-life-as-a-picture-editor

 

 

"Pictures are pinged in from all over the world, some just seconds after being taken. They are provided by the global news agencies we subscribe to, local agencies, individual freelances and our own commissioned photographers. The speed between the shutter being pressed on the camera and the image being published online can be startling: I used to take a deep breath when an editor asked for a picture they had just seen on a TV news bulletin, expecting to get it immediately, but in this digital world that’s almost a reality."

 

 

 

km

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Interesting. Thanks for the link :)

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Basic point to take away to that 'LiveNews' images aren't searched  for on the Alamy site, but are actively sent out ('pinged') directly to the picture desks.....

 

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A very interesting and revealing article in the job of a picture editor at a major newspaper. When you consider the thousands of images they recieve and view each day and to be-able spot the workman with the large stain glass window in the background which could have been easily missed. This acticle just reinforces the requirements of Alamy Live News.

 

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An interesting read. It’s a wonder I have managed to sell any Live News photos, but I’m doing better with them than stock this year.

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Most of my output is live news.  However, as noted, speed is key.  I am competing with photographers who are set up such that their photographs go direct to the newsroom as soon as the shutter is pressed.  I have seen examples of where photos appear on a newspaper website within three to four minutes of being taken.  It is difficult to compete at that level.   

 

I am constantly tuning my workflow to try to speed up.   

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25 minutes ago, IanDavidson said:

M  It is difficult to compete at that level.     

 

 

Difficult but not impossible

 

Camera > phone > AlamyLIveNews > pic desk > online can be as quick as, in my experience, 5 minutes

 

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 .... the alternative is only shooting news that you know no one else will be sending - the result more time, able to edit the image and send without the rush. 

 

It works for me!

 

 

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30 minutes ago, RedSnapper said:

 

 

Difficult but not impossible

 

Camera > phone > AlamyLIveNews > pic desk > online can be as quick as, in my experience, 5 minutes

 

km

Reg, thanks for your comment and the original post.  I am not as good a technical photographer as you so I need to edit in RAW and then send the jpegs.  My best time is about ten minutes.  I must admit to taking too many photos which increases the cull time.  I do need to work on my workflow.....  

 

i agree one  solution is to take pics not covered by others, but unless I am lucky they just do not have the sales value.

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50 minutes ago, Matt Limb said:

 .... the alternative is only shooting news that you know no one else will be sending - the result more time, able to edit the image and send without the rush. 

 

It works for me!

 

 

Yes, that’s my strategy ;) most of the time. But weather pics are easier, too.

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Plenty of non-weather news stories out there ... but it takes time to research, plan and refine and then be ruthlessly selective and know what the markets want

 

Just like any other business strategy 

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A few thoughts of my own on shooting news as a loosely experienced, but still relatively green news photographer:

 

It's definitely not easy to find news events worth covering. Some fields (sport, music) are, because they're well advertised (fixture lists, concert listings) and completely public, and obviously some absolutely massive events (Royal wedding) are impossible to miss.

 

Beyond that, though? It's tough to come across stuff. Facebook event listings can help sometimes, but more often than not it's just a stream of club nights. Not much ever pops up via newspaper What's On listings anymore, either, or at least nothing that'll sell beyond weather and Photo of the Day type articles. It's possible to completely miss a political event or interesting person speaking nearby, for example, because it won't be advertised in advance.

 

Photo agencies tend to subscribe to specialist services collating upcoming events of interest, complete with the PR contacts to reach out to for access, but they're expensive to get onto and you'd often need agency support to get accreditation anyway. Press mailing lists can help, too, if you can get on to them. Some seem to rely on their contacts or know the right people, and others just hang around the right places in London and wait for politicians or celebrities to appear. After that, there's those that will just shoot the weather, which at least does better than a lot of news stuff would anyway at Alamy, such is the nature of the agency.

 

The easiest type of news to shoot beyond the weather is to react to current events. So yesterday, for example, going out where you are and looking for chaos or signs relating to the Visa system meltdown, or any heavy congestion at train stations served by Northern Rail, things that might be stock at any other time but can be submitted as live news due to the current angle. (That said, some publications are going down the route of using solely Twitter for this stuff now, because it's free and often available faster... See this article, which led on BBC News yesterday and features zero images from an agency.)

 

But as a whole, shooting hard news has never seemed especially easy to get into...

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1 hour ago, Katie said:

 

 

But as a whole, shooting hard news has never seemed especially easy to get into...

Katie

I agree.  I go into Downing Street on Tuesdays for Cabinet meetings so can get cabinet minister pictures - always topical; but there is nearly always two or three other (faster) Alamy contributors.  Wednesday in Downing Street for Theresa May  (often followed by the Chancellor) going to PMQ's.  One of the big advantages to  living near London is that there is often events/demonstrations etc going on - you just have to keep your eyes open.  I have got pictures of VIP's just by hanging around Westminster.   I agree that reacting to current events is a good runner.  I always look out in the business section of newspapers for events such as CVA's and I photograph the relevant shop/business.  Some events, such as London Fashion Week come around at the same time - but there is saturation cover.  

 

I do subscribe to a news wire but it is of limited use for photo opportunities.  New week I am covering Graduate Fashion Week...

 

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 .... the alternative is only shooting news that you know no one else will be sending

 

If I were a UKer & pursuing maximum licenses amongst all the national papers,

I might try sending emails to all the SEMI-FAMOUS, asking for ongoing invites to

all they do, i.e., NOT the most known politicians-entertainers-events, etc., the idea

being greater chance of more intimate results & less competition...???  In other

words, I'd prove to these semi-famous I get regularly published & I represent

a form of free publicity, no guarantees though...

 

Curious Yank wonders, if willing, summing up ALL the freelance-supplied weather images published

per day by national papers-magazines, what is total & can one make part of a living just from that???

Do they purposely spread the wealth thin so they do not become dependent on a few sources...?

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You can give serendipity a helping hand simply by being able to react to circumstances as they unfold in front of you and/or walking to places where someting will most likely happen. All the following shots are taken in public areas and I had no idea I would be taking them minutes before I took them. Most have sold. As Ian mentions hang around certain places like Whitehall and then you'll find the news happening around you. But a lot of competition. It's a bit of a judgement call which depends on each individuals sales through their respective sales outlets.

 

EDL demonstration London UK 27th May 2013 The English Defence League hold a manifestation on Whitehall. UAF members lead away - Stock ImageUtrecht, The Netherlands. 19th July, 2017. Womens Europeans England vs Scotland Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon - Stock ImageRome, Italy. 12th October, 2015. Outside the Italian parliament in Rome telecomminucations workers working in call centres express their displeasure. In the past years much call centre work has disappeared across the Adriatic to Albania. - Stock ImageLondon UK 15th October 2013. In protest at the impending disbandment of the regiment  (2nd batallion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers) after the current tour of duty in Afghanistan, former members of 2RRF hand in a petition to Downing Street and then march down Whitehall to Parliament. Former comrades in arms share a joke. - Stock ImageSouthampton, UK. 27th May, 2017. A march organised by the National Association of Head Teachers (NAHT) takes to the streets of Southampton, UK to demand better funding of schools. In the run up to the General Elections the NAHT is contacting all candidates to ask that they sign up to a number of priorities including school funding, assessment reform and teacher recruitment. - Stock ImageInverness Scotland Campaign for the Scottish Elections. Prime Minister David Cameron leaves the town hall - Stock ImageRome Italy 11th October 2015 A large group of protesters gather in front of the Campidoglio in support of the Mayor of Rome Ignazio Marino after he resigned amidst an expense scandal. According to many in the crowd Marino is responsible for cleaning up the city from corruption.   Surrounded by security and press Marino (centre - red tie) crosses the square through his supporters. - Stock ImageLiverpool, UK. 27th November, 2015. Opposite the Mersey Ferry terminal on the quayside workmen place a sculpture of perhaps the most famous sons of the city, the Beatles. As work commences John Lennon hangs somewhat unceremoniously from the crane. - Stock Image

Exeter UK 11th April 2012  Shadow Deputy Prime Minister Harriet Harman visit the newly refurbished Royal Albert Museum Exeter. - Stock ImageYogyakarta, Indonesia. In the city of Yogyakarta itself a very unusual attraction is to be found. Around the Alun Alun Square a parade of lights takes place with exhuberantly illuminated pedal powered vehicles often echoing classic car designs like the Volkswagon Beetle or camper van. Visitors, mainly local, can take the vehicles for a spin around the block. - Stock Image

Brugge (Bruges) Belgium 2nd September 2017 Under blue skies swimmers swim along the Langerei in the centre of Brugge as part of 19th Brugse Zwemdoortocht (Brugge Swim tour) organised by the Brugse  Ijsberen Zwemclub.  As inland waterways in European cities become cleaner more and more recreational swimmers are finding their ways to coty waterways.  The lead swimmer passes a row of typical Brugge houses. Credit: Richard Wareham Fotografie/Alamy Live News - Stock Image

 

Harlingen, The Netherlands. 2nd June 2018.  On the road between Harlingen and Franeker walks Pieter Douma of the province Groningen pulling a globe with anti gas extraction emblems. After leaving a national protest in Harlingen against gas exploitation Douma intends to walk to the gas regions of Groningen before heading to the government in The Hague, a walk of about 500km. In the past Mr Douma has gone on hunger strike to protest the against the gas companies. Credit: Richard Wareham Fotografie/Alamy Live News Stock Photo

 

Oh... and I find twitter very useful. Partially following the local news, but also met office, and other less obvious posters... I found about one protest in Amsterdam via a tweet from a group of lady nobel prize winners who I follow.

 

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