stevednp3

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Hi Everyone

 

Can anyone please take a look at my portfolio and just give me some idea where im going wrong. Ive been submitting now for 2 months and not had one single sale. I sell to other microstock sites and do ok, why I am not getting sales here. Is my portfolio just not good enough or is what I photograph more related to microstock and shall I stop wasting my time submitting here

 

Thank you in advance - Steve

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11 minutes ago, stevednp3 said:

Hi Everyone

 

Can anyone please take a look at my portfolio and just give me some idea where im going wrong. Ive been submitting now for 2 months and not had one single sale. I sell to other microstock sites and do ok, why I am not getting sales here. Is my portfolio just not good enough or is what I photograph more related to microstock and shall I stop wasting my time submitting here

 

Thank you in advance - Steve

 

Steve, You have some good images, a bit microstocky, but varied and nice, bright and colourful.

 

2 months isn't long enough to judge. Sales can sometimes take a couple of months before they are reported.

 

Upload another 1000 images and you should get regular sales.

 

John.

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Thank you guys, are sales not reported instantly then, so could it take a month before I see if any sales have come through. Istockphoto works like that too, its always a month behind

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20 minutes ago, stevednp3 said:

Thank you guys, are sales not reported instantly then, so could it take a month before I see if any sales have come through. Istockphoto works like that too, its always a month behind

GIS suggests that you have the same images on sale here and at MS sites. If you have, why would a buyer pay pounds here when they could pay pennies there? You do yourself (and, more indirectly, us) no favours.

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2 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

 

Steve, an image used today might not be reported for 6 months! It is a long-haul and you won't get that same instant gratification feeling you get at microstockm sites. However, you will feel gratified when some decent sales start to be posted. Just keep going, add careful captions - what breed of horse, location, type of behaviour, latin names etc- decent keywords and keep shooting and uploading. Think more editorially rather than just about general concepts that designers might be looking for at microstock sites. 

 

Wow it really takes that long :-@ thank you for the advice, so basically have 2 hats when thinking about stock photos, 1 for designers on Microstock and 1 for Editorial for news on here

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1 minute ago, spacecadet said:

GIS suggests that you have the same images on sale here and at MS sites. If you have, why would a buyer pay pounds here when they could pay pennies there? You do yourself (and, more indirectly, us) no favours.

 

Sorry if caused any problems I am new to the game, so Basically is it best for me to split my work and keep the microstuff and editorial stuff separate

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16 minutes ago, stevednp3 said:

 

Sorry if caused any problems I am new to the game, so Basically is it best for me to split my work and keep the microstuff and editorial stuff separate

 

yes, .............. very seperate

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1 minute ago, Matt Limb said:

 

yes, .............. very seperate

Thank you, its a learning game, but I learn quick ;-)

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Might also be a good idea to be more specific in some of your captions and tags eg M790Y4, what about the man drilling wood wearing goggles?

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You may have made the common mistake of forgetting to deselect images once you've keyworded them, so they get overwritten when you keyword the next image - a 'feature' of the clunky 'Image Manager'.  For instance - M7A5FC, which looks like the control panel of a recycling plant but most of the keywords are irrelevant, such as 'blue collar worker', 'blurred motion', '25-29 years' etc.

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Look at these threads

Have you found any Alamy images in ...

Will tell you all you need to know

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Thanks everyone, really helpful, I will take everything on board

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37 minutes ago, Vincent Lowe said:

You may have made the common mistake of forgetting to deselect images once you've keyworded them, so they get overwritten when you keyword the next image - a 'feature' of the clunky 'Image Manager'.  For instance - M7A5FC, which looks like the control panel of a recycling plant but most of the keywords are irrelevant, such as 'blue collar worker', 'blurred motion', '25-29 years' etc.

Yes I do find the selection a problem in the image manager, thanks for pointing that out, I will go back and correct my keywords

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3 hours ago, stevednp3 said:

 

Sorry if caused any problems I am new to the game, so Basically is it best for me to split my work and keep the microstuff and editorial stuff separate

 

 

I hear a lot of that however there is nothing wrong with having royalty free images both here and on microstock.

 

I have around a 50/50 split on sales with RF doing just as well if not better than RM here (in Alamy)

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7 minutes ago, David Pimborough said:

 

 

I hear a lot of that however there is nothing wrong with having royalty free images both here and on microstock.

 

 

Aside from the argument about the damage MS does to stock photography in general, if a buyer want one of my images, they have to buy here. If they want one of the OP's, they can do an image search, go to MS and potentially pay a tenth of the price.

Why compete with yourself?

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1 minute ago, spacecadet said:

 

Aside from the argument about the damage MS does to stock photography in general, why compete with yourself with the same images when a buyer can compare prices in seconds?

 

That argument has been going on for years now.  MS isn't going away any time soon and if you can make several hundred on MS sales in a month it would be foolish to discount it.

 

The images I have on MS were already there and were later submitted to Alamy.

 

These days I add the more interesting images (in my view) to Alamy as RM and the more generic to MS and Alamy as RF

 

As to buyers comparing prices maybe they do maybe they don't, but I can still get sales for RF microstock images for a considerable amounts on Alamy too.

 

Likewise I have RM sales on Alamy that net a whole lot less than MS prices.

 

 

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I think I'll split my work going forward and try to only post editorial photos here and not to microstock. I find editorial photos easier to do as don't need releases so shouldn't be too difficult to do. Thanks everyone for the advice, I understand it's annoying to see a newbie coming aboard and doing things wrong. But I'm passionate about stock and photography and of course want to make money but don't want to annoy the community at same time as I know the market is getting harder.

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12 hours ago, stevednp3 said:

I think I'll split my work going forward and try to only post editorial photos here and not to microstock. I find editorial photos easier to do as don't need releases so shouldn't be too difficult to do. Thanks everyone for the advice, I understand it's annoying to see a newbie coming aboard and doing things wrong. But I'm passionate about stock and photography and of course want to make money but don't want to annoy the community at same time as I know the market is getting harder.

 

You are only doing it wrong if you don't make money :D

 

As to communities well they have their own views but that doesn't pay the bill

 

Good luck Steve and I think splitting the work is a good way to go.

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41 minutes ago, David Pimborough said:

 

You are only doing it wrong if you don't make money :D

 

As to communities well they have their own views but that doesn't pay the bill

 

Good luck Steve and I think splitting the work is a good way to go.

Thank you, fingers crossed I'll get a sale soon :-)

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Two months really isn’t very long, as far as I can tell from others’ experiences here. I had my first sale around two months after uploading, but I think I had more than 600 images by then. It depends on so many different factors, eg what clients are looking for, how diverse your portfolio is, your ranking, how well you tag and caption, as well of course whether it’s a good image. But let us know on the other thread when you do get your first sale.

You will also probably find that sales are relatively few and far between for the first year or so.There is a cumulative effect, since the process of clients finding and deciding and using images can take months. And, if it’s a new image, it can take up to four months to be reported, too.  Then it can take months for funds to clear, and then you only get paid if your cleared balance is over $50, as you probably know. I started uploading in February last year, but didn’t get my first payment until October, and the second in March of this year, the third in May, so you can see how it needs time for things to build. 

 

You have to have oodles of determination and perseverance to be in this business ;) 

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12 minutes ago, Sally said:

Two months really isn’t very long, as far as I can tell from others’ experiences here. I had my first sale around two months after uploading, but I think I had more than 600 images by then. It depends on so many different factors, eg what clients are looking for, how diverse your portfolio is, your ranking, how well you tag and caption, as well of course whether it’s a good image. But let us know on the other thread when you do get your first sale.

You will also probably find that sales are relatively few and far between for the first year or so.There is a cumulative effect, since the process of clients finding and deciding and using images can take months. And, if it’s a new image, it can take up to four months to be reported, too.  Then it can take months for funds to clear, and then you only get paid if your cleared balance is over $50, as you probably know. I started uploading in February last year, but didn’t get my first payment until October, and the second in March of this year, the third in May, so you can see how it needs time for things to build. 

 

You have to have oodles of determination and perseverance to be in this business ;) 

Thank you, makes me feel better in that what im doing so far is not wrong, fingers crossed sales will come at some point and yes I can see that you need plenty of that, cheers :-)

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Steve, you are going about things right in the forum. Respectful, listening, taking suggestions. Many new contributors don’t. They ask for help but absolutely cannot take constructive criticism and are argumentative. Not to say you can’t have opinions, but there are nice ways and bad ways to express them.

You are ahead of them in this respect and I expect you to eventually do well. Because we all are eager to help people like you.

It’s a numbers and waiting game here.

Have patience.

Betty

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Lots of people above have had much more success than me, but here's my 2cents anyway:

 

Since Alamy is predominately an editorial-based agency, lots of the concepts you have here probably will never sell. Those include the more generic type of images, composites and even if model-released, as well as the backgrounds. No harm in having them here though...it's sort of a lottery ticket. I also have a passport series and even though they sell regularly on micros, on here they're just drifting. 


You have a nice series of shop-fronts, such as Carperight, TGI Friday's, Maplin, Costa, etc. and I imagine those are exactly the types of images that are licensed on here and feature heavily on the Guardian, Daily Mail, etc. Times move fast and who knows if one of those establishments will be wound up in the next few years. One tip is to have more people in the frame...since it's editorial anyway it's a plus. 

 

You're doing well. Keep submitting. I'm relatively new to Alamy as only been submitting regularly for 18 months or so and only recently have I seen an uptick in regular sales (although many very low amounts). 

 

Good luck

 

p.s Liking the timber factory images, I imagine those will do well.

 

 

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Thanks Betty and Brasilnut :-) I have a lot to learn within the stock industry and hence I would like to keep in good terms with everyone to keep learning :-)

 

I have uploaded a new batch of just over hundred images today that I now think will be more suited to this site. I'll keep pushing forward and keep my fingers crossed :-)

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1 minute ago, stevednp3 said:

Thanks Betty and Brasilnut :-) I have a lot to learn within the stock industry and hence I would like to keep in good terms with everyone to keep learning :-)

 

I have uploaded a new batch of just over hundred images today that I now think will be more suited to this site. I'll keep pushing forward and keep my fingers crossed :-)

as a newbie myself, this forum has been very helpful...has helped me tweak things and starting to see more zooms now, with hopefully sales to follow.

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