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30 minutes ago, John Walker said:

 

  Backblaze is excellent and so easy to use.  It backs up automatically with practically no setting up.

 

For me this would be  a major problem with Backblaze - it is system BackUp rather than Storage

 

What Happens If I Delete A File From My Computer?

Files that are deleted or removed from the system backing up are retained in the Backblaze backup for 30 days, for the purposes of recovery. After 30 days, those files are deleted from the Backblaze backup as well. 
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Interesting to hear how many people are using back blaze. My maths may be hopeless but I worked out that for my 3TB of data it would cost $16 per month? I"m hoping I got that wrong by a decimal point! 

The other thing that has surprised me is the number of people using BT Cloud. I have always shied away from BT on account of their dire customer service and atrocious treatment of my in laws when they moved house. After 6 months without phone contact they were offered £50 compensation. 

I'm going to try keeping my data with imagefile using time machine for now, since I'm already paying them for gallery storage and it's going to be a while before I"m generating significant income to be paying 16 dollars a month! 

 

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11 minutes ago, Fiona said:

Interesting to hear how many people are using back blaze. My maths may be hopeless but I worked out that for my 3TB of data it would cost $16 per month? I"m hoping I got that wrong by a decimal point! 

The other thing that has surprised me is the number of people using BT Cloud. I have always shied away from BT on account of their dire customer service and atrocious treatment of my in laws when they moved house. After 6 months without phone contact they were offered £50 compensation. 

I'm going to try keeping my data with imagefile using time machine for now, since I'm already paying them for gallery storage and it's going to be a while before I"m generating significant income to be paying 16 dollars a month! 

 

 

I've started a 14 day trial with LiveDrive Briefcase for just under £100 a year for 2 Tb. My BT Cloud limit is 1Tb so it would mean paying more. 

 

After teething problems ( probably my end - changing browser worked) it was quick and easy to log in and so far very easy to upload. 

 

Just thinking about the importance of testing how the download system works. I remember the huge problem when DigitalRailroad collapsed ten years ago.

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7 hours ago, Fiona said:

Interesting to hear how many people are using back blaze. My maths may be hopeless but I worked out that for my 3TB of data it would cost $16 per month? I"m hoping I got that wrong by a decimal point! 

The other thing that has surprised me is the number of people using BT Cloud. I have always shied away from BT on account of their dire customer service and atrocious treatment of my in laws when they moved house. After 6 months without phone contact they were offered £50 compensation. 

I'm going to try keeping my data with imagefile using time machine for now, since I'm already paying them for gallery storage and it's going to be a while before I"m generating significant income to be paying 16 dollars a month! 

 

 

My Backblaze at $5 a month gives me unlimited storage.  Maybe there are different options?  It's not a system back-up - it's a back-up of all my image/document/video files.  I can retrieve them in bulk or individually as required.

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41 minutes ago, John Walker said:

My Backblaze at $5 a month gives me unlimited storage.  Maybe there are different options?  It's not a system back-up - it's a back-up of all my image/document/video files.  I can retrieve them in bulk or individually as required.

 

' ... I've started a 14 day trial with LiveDrive Briefcase for just under £100 a year for 2 Tb ...'  very expensive when compared to Backblaze

 

A John says - $5 per month unlimited ... and it is easy to set up!

 

Remember, It is a backup system, important you know the difference between a backup system and cloud storage - they both have very different functions

 

 

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1 minute ago, Matt Limb said:

 

' ... I've started a 14 day trial with LiveDrive Briefcase for just under £100 a year for 2 Tb ...'  very expensive when compared to Backblaze

 

A John says - $5 per month unlimited ... and it is easy to set up!

 

Remember, It is a backup system, important you know the difference between a backup system and cloud storage - they both have very different functions

 

 

 

I want a storage system not a system back-up. As I posted above after 30 days BackBlaze will delete any file that you delete from your computer. That is not what I am looking for. 

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6 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

 

I want a storage system not a system back-up. As I posted above after 30 days BackBlaze will delete any file that you delete from your computer. That is not what I am looking for. 

 

Have a look at Google Drive the first 15 Gb is free of charge after which you pay but the cost still look good value, this is my cloud storage option 

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53 minutes ago, geogphotos said:

 

I want a storage system not a system back-up. As I posted above after 30 days BackBlaze will delete any file that you delete from your computer. That is not what I am looking for. 

 

 

When I was looking around foe storage I tried a 90 day free trial with Amazon. I think it was unlimited storage for $12 a year, specifically for photos.. The downside was that you had to upload the photos manually, while I prefer something that works in the background. I don't know if the $12 deal still exists but they still offer free photo storage with Amazon Prime.

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1 hour ago, Matt Limb said:

 

Have a look at Google Drive the first 15 Gb is free of charge after which you pay but the cost still look good value, this is my cloud storage option 

 

Thanks for the suggestion. A bit pricey, but only just,  for me as a secondary storage option if these rates are still accurate:

 

Pricing and storage tiers

As of this writing, Google offers 15 GB of storage for free and larger amounts at low rates -- 100 GB for $1.99 per month, 1 TB for $9.99 per month, 2 TB for $19.99 per month, 10 TB for $99.99 per month, 20 TB for $199.99 per month and 30 TB for $299.99 per month. Users that pay annually can receive a discount on the 100 GB and 1 TB plans.

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Any cloud storage solution puts tremendous trust in the provider of the service. What if they are hacked, suffer data loss or go out of business?

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11 minutes ago, dlmphotog said:

Any cloud storage solution puts tremendous trust in the provider of the service. What if they are hacked, suffer data loss or go out of business?

 

Equally anything on your desktop will fail. It is a matter of time.

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Nothing in clouds. Just hard drives - two here and one at my parents' house, where I go regularly to back up my work and get a decent meal.

The storage is large hard drives, one for RAW and one for finished TIFFs - all duplicated off site, in case of theft or fire or very determined mice.

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53 minutes ago, Phil Robinson said:

Nothing in clouds. Just hard drives - two here and one at my parents' house, where I go regularly to back up my work and get a decent meal.

The storage is large hard drives, one for RAW and one for finished TIFFs - all duplicated off site, in case of theft or fire or very determined mice.

Methinks the backup is just a ploy to get that motherly love and good old home cooking.

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16 hours ago, dlmphotog said:

Any cloud storage solution puts tremendous trust in the provider of the service. What if they are hacked, suffer data loss or go out of business?

Then I turn to my trusty hard drives at home... Putin is not going to be interested in my photos. They're not state secrets. 

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14 hours ago, Futterwithtrees said:

Methinks the backup is just a ploy to get that motherly love and good old home cooking.

How dare you! 

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Feeling slightly mushed by this issue. So far I have found the following: 

 

This article offers a myriad of options: https://alternativeto.net/software/dropbox/

 

Time Machine can only be used with an external hard drive (2 calls to Apple before I was able to confirm that!)

 

Backblaze is popular among photographers but an IT friend has raised a concern that it is not one of the bluechips and therefore vulnerable. However, it is going to take at least 18 and possibly 146 days to get the data backed up! 

 

4 TB is a lot of data and expensive to store. 

 

Potentially I may be able to make use of my unlimited data imagefile account, but so far I haven't found a way of uploading the data automatically, it is likely to be clunky, and manual backups are not for me. 

 

Probably going to fork out for back blaze and use Time Machine with 2 old hard drives to share the data load, and be done with it! 

 

Time for a lunch break! 

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1 hour ago, Fiona said:

Feeling slightly mushed by this issue. So far I have found the following: 

 

This article offers a myriad of options: https://alternativeto.net/software/dropbox/

 

Time Machine can only be used with an external hard drive (2 calls to Apple before I was able to confirm that!)

 

Backblaze is popular among photographers but an IT friend has raised a concern that it is not one of the bluechips and therefore vulnerable. However, it is going to take at least 18 and possibly 146 days to get the data backed up! 

 

4 TB is a lot of data and expensive to store. 

 

Potentially I may be able to make use of my unlimited data imagefile account, but so far I haven't found a way of uploading the data automatically, it is likely to be clunky, and manual backups are not for me. 

 

Probably going to fork out for back blaze and use Time Machine with 2 old hard drives to share the data load, and be done with it! 

 

Time for a lunch break! 

 

 

Thanks for raising this topic Fiona. I gave up my trial of LiveDrive after a day - no major negative apart from a couple of files that failed to upload repeatedly for no obvious reason. I'm using my free 1000 Gb with BTCloud that comes with Broadband. I understand that I can pay for another 500Gb and that, at the moment, is the absolute max. That will keep me going for a while

 

Somehow I think BT is going to be more reliable than another external HD. So at the  moment I have two cloud stores - Photoshelter at $500 a year (using just under 2Tb of unlimited) and BTCloud at $0 so far, and a 2TB HD with around 700Gb of space on it. 

 

I am trying to get rid of iCloud which seems to want to take over my computer - it seems that you can't have RAW files on iCloud only JPEGs.

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On 13/03/2018 at 19:01, fotoDogue said:

 

 

When I was looking around foe storage I tried a 90 day free trial with Amazon. I think it was unlimited storage for $12 a year, specifically for photos.. The downside was that you had to upload the photos manually, while I prefer something that works in the background. I don't know if the $12 deal still exists but they still offer free photo storage with Amazon Prime.

 

Thanks for this suggestion. I am scaling down being an Amazon Seller and they are not my favourite company at the moment. 

 

But I think the point you raise is an interesting one, that like most sectors of tech it is likely that the smaller operators will be pushed out by the big guys - Amazon, Google and the like- purely because of their economies of scale. I think Photoshelter will be okay because of its niche place in the photography market and that it offers so much more than simple storage. 

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I usually upload new RAW files to Photoshelter and later the processed heroes. I have a 4TB LaCie thunderbolt Drive with my LR catalogs and photos, now mirrored on a new 6TB G-Tech thunderbolt Drive, newer photos stay in iCloud or in one of the Pictures folders on my laptop or iMac while I'm processing them, then get moved to the 4 and 6 TB drives, also, tons of old 500GB-2TB hard drives with various backups on them,  a bunch of DVDs with a lot of work from 2007-2011. All my hard drives (except the new 6TB and a new portable 4TB) are now at least six years old which is why I panicked and bought the new 6TB drive. I also bought a 4TB portable drive that I plan to use to mirror my LR catalog on and send to my husband's office for offsite hard backup, then have him bring it home once a month so I can update it.  I also have both computers and all my photos from 2011-2016 backed up to a RAID array but that filled up last year so this past year is just on the other externals.

 

I'm considering Backblaze. It seems pretty inexpensive but it may be overkill. I was able to make bootable copies of my two computers on partitions on the G-Tech drive,  so I'm in pretty good shape if I need to restore current settings as carbon copy cloner will update these weekly. Hardest thing for me was in my paranoia after I had those old Jazz drives die and then had two computers crash back to back in 2011, I bought a bunch of portable drives and just backed stuff up randomly so if one died I'd still have lots of my stuff but it's so disorganized that it doesn't work, so I bought the original 4TB Drive and started a huge LR catalog on it and added all my photos so they would be in one place.

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Amazon photos is not for professional photographers. Check out their TOS. I uploaded my family photos there and it kept trying to access all my photos but I set it to manual. It would be great if everything could go there, but I'm happy to know family memories are safe there at least. 

 

I have RAW files on iCloud. I sometimes upload photos to iCloud on my laptop so I can sort and rate them and then I can work on them on my iMac and they are accessible to both computers. iCloud only gets stuff off your hard drive if you run out of room, so it's not a solution for those of us with large photo files and 256-500GB main hard drives. I wish I could set it up on my second larger HD instead. 

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I use IMatch to catalogue my photos and keep a working copy of all of them in work machine plus a backup in the same machine. Then have a 3TB USB external hard drive that that stays near the computer but is disconnected when not actually backing up. Then have a 6TB disk which plugs in to a port to take backups. This goes to another building periodically and backs up a hard drive in computer there.

 

I use a free File Sync program to do the backups. This will compare all the files just backing up ones which have changed. If the backup has ones which are deleted on the main drive I leave them in the backup for at least a few months (or till disk space runs out). Reasonably quick doing it this way, keeps the same file structure eveywhere, can be totally independent of any single computer (unlike RAID systems). Online would just take to long.

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A commonly held thought in storage professional circles is “if you don’t have it in 3 places, you don’t have it”

 

I.e. you need 3 copies of every important piece of data.

 

 

How on earth you guys are getting away with 1TB and 2TB discs I don’t know - I have about 8TB online in the office and most of my (delivered) images are also backed up online....

 

 

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I didn't mention, but my disks are a mix from different manufactures and different times. Just in case of a bad batch. Like many also use older smaller disks for yet more backups. Found I needed to do an index on each of those as otherwise couldn't find a particular file I wanted to check on.

 

In the past used I used a propitiatory backup solution then found with a new version of it it couldn't read its older versions - useless. Decided to stay away from anything which tries to compress or store in some special way.

 

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