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Proof- “Supertags” are not working properly - in fact they make image position worse.


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Thank you for your work on this Kumar. I look forward to hearing the result of your enquiry.

 

Allan

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I too am finding my images in real life search are figuring very highly immediately they are on sale BEFORE I've had a chance to supertag them. They are all tagged and captioned only. It's the caption that's in the driving seat for sure.

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Thank you, Doc (I think). 

 

Realizing that what we do with our own collection is not the only factor in a search, what do you think we should do in the future? Get rid of all supertag? Or maybe do nothing about older images? Hmm. 

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HI All

 

Thanks to Doc and Philipe for their research but Alamy's response stuns me. Keep up all your hard work then we will move the goalposts .

 

Just tell us how it works and what to do thats all we want so we don't waste more time and effort tagging captioning only to be told don't do it that way.

 

 

Regards

 

Jon

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ALAMY: "The changing of position of the images in search results has no relevance to the changes contributors make to tags, and supertags in AIM"

 

So what is the point then????? What changes the position of images in search results??? This is a heap of bull***t.

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ALAMY: "The changing of position of the images in search results has no relevance to the changes contributors make to tags, and supertags in AIM"

 

So what is the point then????? What changes the position of images in search results??? This is a heap of bull***t.

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My response to the initial note to CR is as follows:

 

"Hi Kumar,

 

Thanks for flagging this.

 

We shall pass this on to our search engine team to look into the issue in more detail.

 

Thanks"

 

In response to my further questions I got this:

 

"Hi Kumar

 

In the meantime we just advise you to tag, and supertag as normal and as you have been doing.

 

We will let you know once we have heard from our team and if there is an issue then it should be fixed pretty quickly.

 

Thanks a lot,"

 

Kumar (the Doc one)

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I also have experimented on this subject and found that after "optimizing" several images, they have fallen drastically in the search results.

 

I had several images on the first page of a specific search that returned almost 700 photos. One was in the 29th position and the other three near the bottom between the 90th and 100th position. After optimizing four images all of them dropped three pages in the search results.

 

The optimization I've made consisted in deleting some less relevant keywords and adding expressions, like the two-word name of the subject to the super-tags, and keeping the caption and previous super-tags.

 

Their previous place was then occupied by other non optimized images of mine, but the images I've worked on dropped like a stone.

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Hi Kumar
 
Interesting that you had a slightly different response from Almay than Philipe did??
 
 
"over the coming weeks and months, there will be a series of changes to enhance the search experience on Alamy which will result in the positions of image fluctuating."
 
 
So all the work many have done so far is a waste of time if the search is going to change Im leaving legacy images well alone .
 
 
Jon

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Interesting results. I haven't done any experiments myself, but I've been leaving most of my old images alone mainly for two reasons: they continue to do well in search results, plus I dread the task of going back and "retagging" them all. It sounds as if the best strategy for the time being might be to repeat supertags as tags in new images and leave old ones alone. No? Perhaps this is what is behind the more-the-merrier "discoverability" thing. Confusing. :unsure:

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I mentioned in another thread that I would do some playing around with my images.

 

Yesterday I had an image on page 1, first image in second row.  This a search for subject with over 30,000 images.  The image had the search query in both the caption and the tags. I removed the search query from the caption so it is now just in the tags.

 

Interestingly, although that image has now dropped past page 7, another of my images has taken its place on page one, 1st image second row.  

 

Jill

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I am finding that some images are not being found by searches at all despite having the same tags/keywords. For example I have three variations of a shop (Horlogerie) in "Honfleur, France" but only one of them appears. I looked at all 63 pages :( Indeed even searching on other very specific terms does not pull up all three but I was able to find them doing the same search within the pseudonym in AIM. I have just edited the tags so we will see what happens when the database has updated.

 

I have now done an advanced search on just the pseudonym, with not including the words "BHZ" (i don't use it), and it includes all three images. It doesn't inlcude two of them if I search on "Honfleur, France" which is in tags and caption.

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I'm sure we are all trying to second guess the system somehow.

I have recently added a photo of a Kwik Fit tyre centre

Initially I only had the words kwik fit in the caption only (not in keywords at all)

out of 160 images 1and a half pages

It came in as the last one on row 7

Having added kwik fit to the keywords it

now appears 4th on row 4

Not a huge jump considering

I too am not touching legacy images for fear of them being relegated

 

Paul

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I mentioned in another thread that I would do some playing around with my images.

 

Yesterday I had an image on page 1, first image in second row.  This a search for subject with over 30,000 images.  The image had the search query in both the caption and the tags. I removed the search query from the caption so it is now just in the tags.

 

Interestingly, although that image has now dropped past page 7, another of my images has taken its place on page one, 1st image second row.  

 

Jill

 

Could be that the search engine just decided to do some shuffling for variety's sake, but there is little doubt that captions now have super powers. Glad that I've been going back and redoing a lot of my captions in recent years.

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....I looked at all 63 pages :(

 

You deserve a medal - that's above and beyond the call of duty! I can only do about 15 pages before my eyes stop registering the images.

 

 

If you type Cntrl F (or Cmd F on a Mac) and get the search box up and enter the image ref your looking for it will find it if it's on the current page. Much easier on the eyes. Works in Chrome, and I expect other browsers too. Best to set 120 images per page too, to speed it up.

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I mentioned in another thread that I would do some playing around with my images.

 

Yesterday I had an image on page 1, first image in second row.  This a search for subject with over 30,000 images.  The image had the search query in both the caption and the tags. I removed the search query from the caption so it is now just in the tags.

 

Interestingly, although that image has now dropped past page 7, another of my images has taken its place on page one, 1st image second row.  

 

Jill

 

Could be that the search engine just decided to do some shuffling for variety's sake, but there is little doubt that captions now have super powers. Glad that I've been going back and redoing a lot of my captions in recent years.

 

 

That image had been in that spot for the past week.  But what I found most interesting was that it was replaced by another of my images.  Everything didn't simply move up one.  So rank must be filtering in there somehow.

 

Today I will put the caption info back and see if jumps back to page one again.

 

 

Jill

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