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1 minute ago, GS-Images said:

 

You recently had loads of sales from whoever it was, lucky you.  :)  I don't know why I keep on bothering either. I've spent the whole day today doing live weather news from 4 locations. A long day and lots of work. So far not a sausage online, so I can only hope for something in print, but being Sunday tomorrow that's unlikely. Of course the usual ones have sales as well as retweets the last few days, but you only get retweets if your name starts with K or S. It's who you know, rather than what you do, at least mostly that seems to be the case, in my opinion, of course. It's extremely disheartening. I'll get reds for that comment but they'll hide behind that and not explain why they disagree.

 

4 stock sales so far this month (or is it 5?). Also lots of uncleared funds over the 45 days minimum, and several uses not logged from a certain national newspaper. I'm not in the slightest bit surprised.

 

Geoff.

 

I've often thought this - the people with the most sales will be revisited by the various publications time after time, which is great for them, but bad for the rest of us.  All that work with nothing to show for it is very frustrating.

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2 hours ago, Colblimp said:

 

I've often thought this - the people with the most sales will be revisited by the various publications time after time, which is great for them, but bad for the rest of us.  All that work with nothing to show for it is very frustrating.

 

That's just the way it is. You've either gotta accept it or - if you can - try to overturn them! ;) Be a harsh, nasty businessman (in a nice way)! 

 

I have (at least) three contributors here with whom I am in direct competition for local shots of the type I take in my area and with whom I try to compete. One is a contributor to this forum (hi! :)), the other two are not. Those two, in particular, are constantly mentioned in the 'Have you found... ' threads because they are continually in the national press. Plainly, they are in Alamy's UK newspaper scheme, which helps promote their name and 'brand'. I have chosen not to be (for my own convoluted reasons), but I do understand and appreciate that, if you are prepared to take the double hit of low prices and image theft - and/or are constantly on the ball and prepared to follow up the abuses (and not let it get to you), then a non-stop barrage of submissions to the press will eventually get your name noticed and people sitting on image desks will seek you out as a first call when looking for a certain type of image or from a certain locale. 

 

Blimey, that was a long sentence! 

 

You're absolutely right : the more you sell,  then, erm, the more you sell. That's just the way it is and always has been. If you're like me and (for whatever reason) just not able to keep up with it all, then you have to accept that others (especially those with more history in the field) are going to sell more frequently, be searched more often, and as a result will have a higher CTR, and therefore be found more readily and (be more able to) achieve higher prices, when those opportunities come along. 

 

One of my competitors constantly revisits his (previously sold) locations to update them. I've even aware that he must have noticed my images - as he has stood in exactly the same spot to take an update of his for a local village centre! But I don't begrudge him (he's being harsh in a nice way!) as he's earning a living here (from his volume of sales, that's certain): it's his job to fight for those sales. Anyhow, my long term plan is to take him down (ROFL). 

 

There will always be stronger swimmers than you - and it's doubly difficult when they started the race long before you! Myself, I'm just happy to jump out of the pool every now and again and run off with the odd prize! 

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Good words.  I guess it's all about building one's port as quickly as possible with top quality images.  That said, the favourites will always be ahead of the competition.  My goal is to bring everyone down!!! :D

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Sometimes, I stop and think that a reality check is in order ! I look at my own sales, 14 so far this month and think, well, not bad but could be better.... but when you really think about it.... even just one sale from a collection of over 100 million is an achievement.... and that's not even taking into account all of the other agencies supplying images. Maybe we need to stop beating ourselves up about getting "only" x amount of sales and start being proud that even one of our images has been plucked out of the masses on offer !

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10 minutes ago, GS-Images said:

 

I think the point has been missed. It's not about who's better or takes more photos. It's who is noticed. A look through some Twitter accounts will show who's friends with who. I've never had a retweet, but some regularly get them, and other friendly comments. It's not a lack of quality or quantity. Everyone can look at Twitter and make up their own minds.

 

Geoff. 

 

Not sure that I missed the point, maybe just didn't cover all of the points, or disagreed with some or didn't fully understand others!

 

Not 100% sure who or what you're referring to re: Twitter (though I think I know)! If it's regarding one big business (for example) appearing to favour a particular contributor here (for example), then that is just in (mutual) interest, surely, and something that all businesses do, no? It's also the same in many (if not all) workplaces: there are always unfair promotions (in all senses) and some who are less capable, but get paid more.  I haven't got the energy to get upset about that sort of thing. I just let them get on with it and do the best I can. Ultimately, if one can't persuade the boss to reward you justly for your efforts, then you have to move on. Although I must admit that it's difficult to apply that in this scenario at this point in history! 

 

I'm not sure that I agree with quality or quantity not being relevant. There are talented individuals here who do well with either and/or both. Relevance and trend probably play a part as well. Buyers are as human as the rest of us and are doubtless influenced by all kinds of things - including social media. Many are influenced by those able - or willing - to shout the loudest. Keep on telling people that you're the best and many will believe you! Personally, I've never had time for that b******s and prefer to deal with people and their talents as I see them. 

 

Onward and upward (or sideways at least)!

 

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25 minutes ago, Martyn said:

Sometimes, I stop and think that a reality check is in order ! I look at my own sales, 14 so far this month and think, well, not bad but could be better.... but when you really think about it.... even just one sale from a collection of over 100 million is an achievement.... and that's not even taking into account all of the other agencies supplying images. Maybe we need to stop beating ourselves up about getting "only" x amount of sales and start being proud that even one of our images has been plucked out of the masses on offer !

 

Very well said! I was recently berated by Jeff G (in his way) for moaning about my (one) sale this month of a mundane image. He basically said the same as you : the client chose my mundane image out of many thousands of others! He's right - and so are you! 

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3 minutes ago, JeffGreenberg said:

 

 

Yes AND no, IMO.

Reliable pseudos with desirable images may get "exclusive" searches = pseudo + tags;

(but I rarely see my name included in my zoomed searches...)

photo editors always under pressure to find new approaches to images, avoid same style all the time;

therefore reliable sources are under pressure to offer new images in new ways, too;

& door always open to first-time-pseudos if image is spot on, IMO...

 

Oh, hello - talk of the devil!

 

That's what I meant in my post when I talked about jumping out of the pool and running off the one of the prizes - spot an opening and get in there quick before the older, slower dinosaurs (no offence!) realise that you've made off with the winner's 🏆 

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On 23/09/2017 at 21:42, losdemas said:

. Plainly, they are in Alamy's UK newspaper scheme, which helps promote their name and 'brand'.

 

 

Being in or out of the Newspaper scheme has no impact on the success or otherwise of LIVE news images. Live news images are licenced under a different pricing regime.

 

km

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2 hours ago, RedSnapper said:

 

 

Being in or out of the Newspaper scheme has no impact on the success or otherwise of LIVE news images. Live news images are licenced under a different pricing regime.

 

km

 

That's not what I meant, Keith.  I was just trying to say that having a higher volume of images "out there" (especially when those are directly attributed via a tagline or similar) will get you seen more.  I wasn't talking about success or relative benefits of NS or Live News (about which I have limited experience).

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They may get you seen more. but a LiveNews image stands on its own merits..., honestly, previous by-lines, in themselves ,  count for nothing.

 

A newspaper PicEd couldn't give a fig for who's made the photo, as long as it fits the bill...

 

If you're consistently seeing the same by-lines, all it means is that those photographers  are consistently coming up with the goods

 

km

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I don`t Tweet. I upload images to Alamy News and let them and pic editors do the rest. I`m not based in the UK, but Alamy

News sales always pay for my flights, beer..., when i return for 2/3 week stock shoots. 

 

 

Joe

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1 hour ago, RedSnapper said:

They may get you seen more. but a LiveNews image stands on its own merits..., honestly, previous by-lines, in themselves ,  count for nothing.

 

A newspaper PicEd couldn't give a fig for who's made the photo, as long as it fits the bill...

 

If you're consistently seeing the same by-lines, all it means is that those photographers  are consistently coming up with the goods

 

km

 

Gottit and understand and respect your vast experience, ability, knowledge and talent in this area,  but... ;)

...if a picture editor has prior knowledge of a particular 'tog and is aware of and confident in their abilities to produce the goods required, then surely they will seek out the services (or portfolio, whatever) first? Not saying that they're definitely going to use them in every instance, just that that is likely to be their first port of call.  Just seems totally logical to me.

 

The same applies anywhere in any situation, no? I use the same mechanic to repair and service my car because he offers a good, reliable and honest service at a fair price. It took me a long time to find him. I'm not going anywhere fast. Same with my dentist! :lol:

 

I accept that we may have to agree to disagree and I'm never going to be in your position, so you'll have a different POV. As you're making the money and I'm not, then I'm likely to be the one to keep schtum on the subject now and accept that this is uniquely a Celtic phenomenon! ;):D

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Believe me, in the context of LiveNews , if i thought PicEds were actively seeking out my work, i would be the first to be bragging about it

 

they don't

 

so i'm not

 

directly commissioned work, is, of course, a different matter

 

 

km

 

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Geoff, your work is being sent out by the Alamy News team; if it's not being used then that is a matter of the PicEds not chosing to use them, not that AlamyNews aren't punting them....

 

If you're upset about not being tweeted,  then you shouldnt be.

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I am upset about not being tweeted, but I don't just mean by the news team, especially as they have tweeted the odd one, even fairly recently. It's very hard to put into words what I mean as it's going to come across wrong, as obviously it already has, and that's the last thing I want. 

 

One agency I work with has featured my images 3 times on their website cover and numerous tweets and no sales which does annoy me. 

 

Honestly, I care much more about sales than some empty publicity :) 

 

Geoff, your photos are great and as long as you're getting regular sales you're doing really well, regardless of the tweets.

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On 9/13/2017 at 18:16, losdemas said:

 

Hey, stop it: this is the moaning thread! ;):lol: Positive news elsewhere, please! :)

 

I was beginning to despair too.  A $15 sale on the first and then nothing.  Until yesterday.  A fall scene for $450.  Haven't seen those in a while. 

Then three more sales today, one also a Fall scene for $250.  I wish those were more regular.

 

Although I hate to resurrect this, it looks like I can legitimately come back with this one.  That $450 sale just got refunded. Rats.

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11 minutes ago, Atko said:

Slow month me arris - seven views guv, seven views.

 

 

That is all.

 

So how many sales :D ? this is my first month too (i started to upload at the beginning of September). I don't know what is good or bad . For the 5 first days of October I got 137 views and 1 zoom for 564 images in portfolio. to be continued...

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Just now, Southmind said:

 

So how many sales :D ? this is my first month too (i started to upload at the beginning of September). I don't know what is good or bad . For the 5 first days of October I got 137 views and 1 zoom for 564 images in portfolio. to be continued...

 

A zoom :o

 

 

I can only dream of zooms.....

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40 minutes ago, Reimar said:

 

 

Although I hate to resurrect this, it looks like I can legitimately come back with this one.  That $450 sale just got refunded. Rats.

That's a damned shame mate, but I still think that putting exact figures and sales types non our licence sales doesn't do us any favours on a public forum sometimes.

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