Colblimp Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Good words. I guess it's all about building one's port as quickly as possible with top quality images. That said, the favourites will always be ahead of the competition. My goal is to bring everyone down!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Sometimes, I stop and think that a reality check is in order ! I look at my own sales, 14 so far this month and think, well, not bad but could be better.... but when you really think about it.... even just one sale from a collection of over 100 million is an achievement.... and that's not even taking into account all of the other agencies supplying images. Maybe we need to stop beating ourselves up about getting "only" x amount of sales and start being proud that even one of our images has been plucked out of the masses on offer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, GS-Images said: I think the point has been missed. It's not about who's better or takes more photos. It's who is noticed. A look through some Twitter accounts will show who's friends with who. I've never had a retweet, but some regularly get them, and other friendly comments. It's not a lack of quality or quantity. Everyone can look at Twitter and make up their own minds. Geoff. Not sure that I missed the point, maybe just didn't cover all of the points, or disagreed with some or didn't fully understand others! Not 100% sure who or what you're referring to re: Twitter (though I think I know)! If it's regarding one big business (for example) appearing to favour a particular contributor here (for example), then that is just in (mutual) interest, surely, and something that all businesses do, no? It's also the same in many (if not all) workplaces: there are always unfair promotions (in all senses) and some who are less capable, but get paid more. I haven't got the energy to get upset about that sort of thing. I just let them get on with it and do the best I can. Ultimately, if one can't persuade the boss to reward you justly for your efforts, then you have to move on. Although I must admit that it's difficult to apply that in this scenario at this point in history! I'm not sure that I agree with quality or quantity not being relevant. There are talented individuals here who do well with either and/or both. Relevance and trend probably play a part as well. Buyers are as human as the rest of us and are doubtless influenced by all kinds of things - including social media. Many are influenced by those able - or willing - to shout the loudest. Keep on telling people that you're the best and many will believe you! Personally, I've never had time for that b******s and prefer to deal with people and their talents as I see them. Onward and upward (or sideways at least)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 25 minutes ago, Martyn said: Sometimes, I stop and think that a reality check is in order ! I look at my own sales, 14 so far this month and think, well, not bad but could be better.... but when you really think about it.... even just one sale from a collection of over 100 million is an achievement.... and that's not even taking into account all of the other agencies supplying images. Maybe we need to stop beating ourselves up about getting "only" x amount of sales and start being proud that even one of our images has been plucked out of the masses on offer ! Very well said! I was recently berated by Jeff G (in his way) for moaning about my (one) sale this month of a mundane image. He basically said the same as you : the client chose my mundane image out of many thousands of others! He's right - and so are you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, JeffGreenberg said: Yes AND no, IMO. Reliable pseudos with desirable images may get "exclusive" searches = pseudo + tags; (but I rarely see my name included in my zoomed searches...) photo editors always under pressure to find new approaches to images, avoid same style all the time; therefore reliable sources are under pressure to offer new images in new ways, too; & door always open to first-time-pseudos if image is spot on, IMO... Oh, hello - talk of the devil! That's what I meant in my post when I talked about jumping out of the pool and running off the one of the prizes - spot an opening and get in there quick before the older, slower dinosaurs (no offence!) realise that you've made off with the winner's 🏆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 What;s your Twitter account Geoff? I do see two tweets of your images sent out by AlamyLiveNews twitter account this summer km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 On 23/09/2017 at 21:42, losdemas said: . Plainly, they are in Alamy's UK newspaper scheme, which helps promote their name and 'brand'. Being in or out of the Newspaper scheme has no impact on the success or otherwise of LIVE news images. Live news images are licenced under a different pricing regime. km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 2 hours ago, RedSnapper said: Being in or out of the Newspaper scheme has no impact on the success or otherwise of LIVE news images. Live news images are licenced under a different pricing regime. km That's not what I meant, Keith. I was just trying to say that having a higher volume of images "out there" (especially when those are directly attributed via a tagline or similar) will get you seen more. I wasn't talking about success or relative benefits of NS or Live News (about which I have limited experience). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 They may get you seen more. but a LiveNews image stands on its own merits..., honestly, previous by-lines, in themselves , count for nothing. A newspaper PicEd couldn't give a fig for who's made the photo, as long as it fits the bill... If you're consistently seeing the same by-lines, all it means is that those photographers are consistently coming up with the goods km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I don`t Tweet. I upload images to Alamy News and let them and pic editors do the rest. I`m not based in the UK, but Alamy News sales always pay for my flights, beer..., when i return for 2/3 week stock shoots. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 1 hour ago, RedSnapper said: They may get you seen more. but a LiveNews image stands on its own merits..., honestly, previous by-lines, in themselves , count for nothing. A newspaper PicEd couldn't give a fig for who's made the photo, as long as it fits the bill... If you're consistently seeing the same by-lines, all it means is that those photographers are consistently coming up with the goods km Gottit and understand and respect your vast experience, ability, knowledge and talent in this area, but... ...if a picture editor has prior knowledge of a particular 'tog and is aware of and confident in their abilities to produce the goods required, then surely they will seek out the services (or portfolio, whatever) first? Not saying that they're definitely going to use them in every instance, just that that is likely to be their first port of call. Just seems totally logical to me. The same applies anywhere in any situation, no? I use the same mechanic to repair and service my car because he offers a good, reliable and honest service at a fair price. It took me a long time to find him. I'm not going anywhere fast. Same with my dentist! I accept that we may have to agree to disagree and I'm never going to be in your position, so you'll have a different POV. As you're making the money and I'm not, then I'm likely to be the one to keep schtum on the subject now and accept that this is uniquely a Celtic phenomenon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Believe me, in the context of LiveNews , if i thought PicEds were actively seeking out my work, i would be the first to be bragging about it they don't so i'm not directly commissioned work, is, of course, a different matter km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Geoff, your work is being sent out by the Alamy News team; if it's not being used then that is a matter of the PicEds not chosing to use them, not that AlamyNews aren't punting them.... If you're upset about not being tweeted, then you shouldnt be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Quote I am upset about not being tweeted, but I don't just mean by the news team, especially as they have tweeted the odd one, even fairly recently. It's very hard to put into words what I mean as it's going to come across wrong, as obviously it already has, and that's the last thing I want. One agency I work with has featured my images 3 times on their website cover and numerous tweets and no sales which does annoy me. Honestly, I care much more about sales than some empty publicity Geoff, your photos are great and as long as you're getting regular sales you're doing really well, regardless of the tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 Quote so that makes me paranoid that it might affect other promotion avenues too. How would being promoted on twitter lead to more sales? Not a rhetorical question, I'm really curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Considering this thread was started in February, it seems to have been a REALLY slow month.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marb Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 And sales continue to be abysmal for me despite a lot of uploading this year of exclusive images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southmind Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Some months last for years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 On 9/13/2017 at 18:16, losdemas said: Hey, stop it: this is the moaning thread! Positive news elsewhere, please! I was beginning to despair too. A $15 sale on the first and then nothing. Until yesterday. A fall scene for $450. Haven't seen those in a while. Then three more sales today, one also a Fall scene for $250. I wish those were more regular. Although I hate to resurrect this, it looks like I can legitimately come back with this one. That $450 sale just got refunded. Rats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Slow month me arris - seven views guv, seven views. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southmind Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, Atko said: Slow month me arris - seven views guv, seven views. That is all. So how many sales ? this is my first month too (i started to upload at the beginning of September). I don't know what is good or bad . For the 5 first days of October I got 137 views and 1 zoom for 564 images in portfolio. to be continued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Just now, Southmind said: So how many sales ? this is my first month too (i started to upload at the beginning of September). I don't know what is good or bad . For the 5 first days of October I got 137 views and 1 zoom for 564 images in portfolio. to be continued... A zoom I can only dream of zooms..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickfly Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 40 minutes ago, Reimar said: Although I hate to resurrect this, it looks like I can legitimately come back with this one. That $450 sale just got refunded. Rats. That's a damned shame mate, but I still think that putting exact figures and sales types non our licence sales doesn't do us any favours on a public forum sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reimar Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 1 hour ago, mickfly said: That's a damned shame mate, but I still think that putting exact figures and sales types non our licence sales doesn't do us any favours on a public forum sometimes. Maybe so. I would think that would be more of a problem with our many $5 sales. If we reported more $450 sales, that should only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 No slow month, but a pretty slow year. Added new pics from a journey to Chile in spring which increased views, but had only 2 sales within last 12 month. Views ~ 8500, 60 zooms. Sharp sales reduction at another agency as well. Anyway, its a lottery for most of us, for some a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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