Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 “Seller-Pseudonyms” putting ONLY some or all your “sold” images in one pseudonym has anyone gone, in recent years, from NOT doing this to doing this? it might raise rank of that “Seller Pseudo” but did it raise your overall sales? if so, & willing to say, how much, considering de-ranking of non-seller pseudo(s)? especially interested in hearing from those with, say, 10K+ total images… details from anyone on what was learned from doing this appreciated !! (I’ve never done, but considering) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 That's an interesting question, Jeff. But I don't see any interesting answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Standfast Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Well I do this and have done for years. I think it works but being able to prove it and describing that proof, to so that it stands up to the scrutiny of the forum, well thats a differnt thing. There are so many variables in assessing this and now that zooms are broken it gets even more complicated. I have loaded a "best" pseudo" with repeat sellers and zoomed* pictures, the other two pseudos form the bulk of the collection. A local politician showed up in my views this morning so I looked at some of the numbers. Total Images on Alamy = 368 My portfolio = 14 My views Best Pseudo 6/100 My views Bulk Portfolio 6/100 So I think that by splitting my portfolio in two I managed to get 12/100 views instead of maybe 6 or maybe less than 12. Truth Is I don't really know and I'm not minded to carry out the experiments to prove it. I am certain however that it gives a sense of "doing something" rather than just sitting back and letting the dust settle on my collection. I'm going to take some pictures now, which may be more productive.** 🦔 *Those that have been zoomed! **Might not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 5 hours ago, Mr Standfast said: Well I do this and have done for years. I think it works but being able to prove it and describing that proof, to so that it stands up to the scrutiny of the forum, well thats a differnt thing. There are so many variables in assessing this and now that zooms are broken it gets even more complicated. I have loaded a "best" pseudo" with repeat sellers and zoomed* pictures, the other two pseudos form the bulk of the collection. A local politician showed up in my views this morning so I looked at some of the numbers. Total Images on Alamy = 368 My portfolio = 14 My views Best Pseudo 6/100 My views Bulk Portfolio 6/100 So I think that by splitting my portfolio in two I managed to get 12/100 views instead of maybe 6 or maybe less than 12. Truth Is I don't really know and I'm not minded to carry out the experiments to prove it. I am certain however that it gives a sense of "doing something" rather than just sitting back and letting the dust settle on my collection. I'm going to take some pictures now, which may be more productive.** 🦔 *Those that have been zoomed! **Might not! That's interesting. I wonder if Alamy's dispersal algorithm treats the images from each pseudo independently? If so you may have achieved twice the normal density (rule of 19). Are you able to list the respective positions of each of those 12 images amongst the 100 returned? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Standfast Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, M.Chapman said: That's interesting. I wonder if Alamy's dispersal algorithm treats the images from each pseudo independently? If so you may have achieved twice the normal density (rule of 19). Are you able to list the respective positions of each of those 12 images amongst the 100 returned? Mark Thats helpfull, I wasn't sure how to frame the next question. I searched for my subject from the my dashboard page. Positions within the search were: Best Pseudo Positions: 1st, 20th, 22nd, 24th, 27th and 86th Bulk Pseudo Positions: 33rd, 52nd, 54th, 71st, 82nd and 84th So If the aim is to get your pictures on the first page, then this strategy seems to work. Bit of a chore to track down the zooms but sales results for these particular pictures were: Best Pseudo 7 Bulk Psuedo 0 Whatever you do to improve your appearance in the search, I think it shows that sales lend substantial weight to the rank. The only way to game the system is sell pictures! G'night. 🦔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 my goal, if ever I do this, is a noticeable long-term jump in sales; ranking may correspond, but is secondary for some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 I'll stay with my one ID. If I were a cleverer lad like Wim, I might want to spend more time managing my account, but . . . I'm not. I'm happy with the number of sales I make each month if not the digital stock prices. Good luck, Jeff and all. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Standfast Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 hour ago, Ed Rooney said: I'll stay with my one ID. If I were a cleverer lad like Wim, I might want to spend more time managing my account, but . . . I'm not. I'm happy with the number of sales I make each month if not the digital stock prices. Good luck, Jeff and all. Yup. As I said its more about believing you're doing something. Off to take some snaps, that works! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 15 hours ago, Mr Standfast said: Thats helpfull, I wasn't sure how to frame the next question. I searched for my subject from the my dashboard page. Positions within the search were: Best Pseudo Positions: 1st, 20th, 22nd, 24th, 27th and 86th Bulk Pseudo Positions: 33rd, 52nd, 54th, 71st, 82nd and 84th So If the aim is to get your pictures on the first page, then this strategy seems to work. Bit of a chore to track down the zooms but sales results for these particular pictures were: Best Pseudo 7 Bulk Psuedo 0 Whatever you do to improve your appearance in the search, I think it shows that sales lend substantial weight to the rank. The only way to game the system is sell pictures! G'night. 🦔 Interesting. Those results do appear to confirm that the two pseudos are being treated separately. Whether the best pseudo is best because of more sales or some other factor (e.g. it had the better CTR when last rerank was done) is another matter. Mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Interesting topic. My thinking is to leave your sales images in the existing port, along with those most zoomed, and move your no sales and least zoomed into a new port. Which to my way of thinking is your no sales port would sink to the bottom never to be seen again. Also moving your sales and most zoomed images to a new port would have the effect of losing site of them for those buyers looking for the old port. OR! Am I not making any sense? Allan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Makes sense to me, Allan, but it would take days and days to move my unsold and unzoomed images. Much faster to do the sold and zoomed. Paulette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 But does it really make sense? All I've learned from the posts on this (including mine) is guess work -- nobody knows nothin'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ed Rooney said: I'm happy with the number of sales I make each month But if a seller-pseudo switch soon boosted your total sales, say, 25%, would you be 25% happier?? Would you buy 25% more caprese salads...? Like you said, the ?few? smarter more patient contribs INSURE such boosts via extensive testing... I would prolly at least build up size of a new seller-pseudo over, say, 1-2 year period... Would that avoid initial dip in total sales by dumping ALL sellers into new pseudo at once...? Edited November 8 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sooth Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 14 minutes ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: Would you buy 25% more caprese salads...? I would be able to afford smoked salmon in my egg scramble instead of a egg plain scramble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 But Jeff, not one person has said they have done that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Standfast Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 On 08/11/2024 at 11:06, Allan Bell said: "those buyers looking for the old port" Looked at "All of Alamy" for the last 12 months. Nobody looked for me by pseudo, which is cool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted November 9 Author Share Posted November 9 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ed Rooney said: not one person has said they have done that. In this thread? On this forum? Hardly a reliable method to decide. Some consider some of what they know proprietary. Some consider all of what they know proprietary. At one point yesterday there were 53 online users. Only 10% were signed in. Typical. Me, I think out loud, seeking crumbs of knowledge... Edited November 9 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 11 Share Posted November 11 On 06/11/2024 at 18:40, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: “Seller-Pseudonyms” putting ONLY some or all your “sold” images in one pseudonym has anyone gone, in recent years, from NOT doing this to doing this? I did something similar to this a few years ago with 2 pseudos. With a small portfolio it wasn't difficult. As to whether or not it really made a difference - I've no real clue. I think there are so many variables that to isolate any such change as making any measurable difference would be exceedingly difficult. Maybe with a large portfolio such a change's effect might be noticeable - or not. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve F Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 My portfolio is far too small to qualify. But I'm thinking, if I removed all my sellers into a small portfolio with a different pseudonym, my small portfolio would do amazing. And my main portfolio would crash and burn as the CTR/sales figures would really drop... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Robinson Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 I remember trying this many years ago. The pics in the new pseudo appeared at the top of all the searches - all the others disappeared without a trace. I suspect the algorithms have changed since then but I still don't think it's worth it. I get a lot of sales from photos I took many years ago selling for the first time and they would never get seen under that system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Posted November 12 Author Share Posted November 12 (edited) SteveF & all As long as one has both “sold” & “unsold” images, no collection size is too small to test-pursue “sold-pseudo” scheme, IMO. Unsold pseudo may sink, sell less often, but if one was always getting “first-timers” licensed, one will continue & can transfers those to sold-pseudo as it happens… Big question of course is: overall will scheme boost overall # sales… Those declaring it won't work: a. are they guessing? b. have they tested it? c. why are some successful-smart contribs pursing it...? Edited November 12 by Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 11 minutes ago, Jeffrey Isaac Greenberg said: SteveF & all As long as one has both “sold” & “unsold” images, no collection size is too small to test-pursue “sold-pseudo” scheme, IMO. Unsold pseudo may sink, sell less often, but if one was always getting “first-timers” licensed, one will continue & can transfers those to sold-pseudo as it happens… Big question of course is: overall will scheme boost overall # sales… Those declaring it won't work: a. are they guessing? b. have they tested it? c. why are some successful-smart contribs pursing it...? And don't forget d. is it reversible in case it all goes horribly South? wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geogphotos Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 (edited) Every month I am surprised by the relative high proportion of sales from previously unlicensed images some of which go back 20 years or more. I don't think that it is possible to accurately predict what will sell on Alamy - or at least not with any certainty, and definitely not with enough confidence that the time and effort would be worthwhile. If I had the time and inclination I would think that paying attention to Supertags across my archive would be more beneficial than attempting to differentiate pseudos based on previous sales/zooms. Sorry, I do not have actual experience to share. Edited November 12 by geogphotos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 11 minutes ago, geogphotos said: very month I am surprised by the relative high proportion of sales from previously unlicensed images some of which go back 20 years or more. +1. I have licences from most years.....most years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 12 Share Posted November 12 No matter what we do, we know what has sold. We don't know what will sell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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