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15 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

so did Alamy confirm where this distributor was, and why they only sold to China?

 

No, I'm just trying to understand how this works, and why deselecting China doesn't prevent such sales, but opting out of distributor sales altogether does.

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4 minutes ago, Thomas Kyhn said:

 

No, I'm just trying to understand how this works, and why deselecting China doesn't prevent such sales, but opting out of distributor sales altogether does.

 

maybe i'm sarcastic but i'll go with "canned answer from direction hoping you will just go away, and not try to put holes through their answer".

 

Note that the multi territory issue is an issue, and were told before it was based on country of the distributor's registration with Alamy- there is a known overlap with one who distribute in 3-4 countries (former Yugoslavia).  

 

I actually would expect the opt-out to be based on country of the Distributor, and if Alamy came out now and told us, in writing "This was our French distributor, selling only in China, and only in December", i would be OK fair game, lesson learned, opting out of all remaining next April.  

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43 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

Going to check how many "distributor" sales I have had and if not many and poor return then I may duck out of it.

 

Allan

 

 

I must be getting old.  I opted OUT of "Distribution" sales back in May 2021.

 

I am also out of "Novel use" (left back in 2013) and "Image options" (left in 2017).

 

Allan

 

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1 hour ago, Allan Bell said:

 

I must be getting old.  I opted OUT of "Distribution" sales back in May 2021.

 

I am also out of "Novel use" (left back in 2013) and "Image options" (left in 2017).

 

Allan

 

I think Alamy has some 'splainin to do.

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Perhaps after you opt out of distribution, it's up to the distributors in China (or wherever) to remove your images from their websites, and in this case it didn't happen. Just a thought...

 

P.S. I encountered this problem when I was requesting removal of images from other agencies in order to make them exclusive to Alamy (what a waste of time that was). One particular agency still hadn't removed my images after six months, so I had to contact them on at least two occasions.

 

 

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Let's see... Alamy announce that the infringement team are going to be more proactive in chasing unreported uses. Several months later there's a flood of licences for token amounts, with no usage details, backdated to 1900 (which would automatically cover any previous unauthorised use, whenever it occurred). 2 + 2 = 4(cents)?

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3 hours ago, Allan Bell said:

 

I am also out of "Novel use" (left back in 2013) and "Image options" (left in 2017).

 

Allan

 

 

What's downside of "Image Options" use?  

 

I'm in - but have never had any sales under it.   Anyone else?

 

Have never seen any mention of it in contributor forums threads.

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23 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

What's downside of "Image Options" use?  

 

I'm in - but have never had any sales under it.   Anyone else?

 

Have never seen any mention of it in contributor forums threads.

 

Once upon a time, licensing details included the phrase "Novel Use," but apparently that is no longer the case. I opted out of NU a long time ago. I did have a few very low sales (in the 0.50 to 1.50 range) that looked like regular editorial ones to me -- i.e. I couldn't see anything "novel" about them except the mini prices (at that time, anyway).

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What strikes me is the fact those sales only happened on Dec 30 and Dec 31st- or did anyone have 4 cent China sales on other dates?
This is really odd.

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15 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

Once upon a time, licensing details included the phrase "Novel Use," but apparently that is no longer the case. I opted out of NU a long time ago. I did have a few very low sales (in the 0.50 to 1.50 range) that looked like regular editorial ones to me -- i.e. I couldn't see anything "novel" about them except the mini prices (at that time, anyway).

 

Thanks John.  I've been out of NU for long time also.

 

My query was regarding the separate Image Options feature:   https://www.alamy.com/image-options.aspx

 

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46 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

What's downside of "Image Options" use?  

 

I'm in - but have never had any sales under it.   Anyone else?

 

Have never seen any mention of it in contributor forums threads.

 

 

I don't think Image Options has ever been operational.

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5 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

Thanks John.  I've been out of NU for long time also.

 

My query was regarding the separate Image Options feature:   https://www.alamy.com/image-options.aspx

 

 

I see. I'm in "image options" as well. It sounded good but nothing has ever become of it.

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2 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

I see. I'm in "image options" as well. It sounded good but nothing has ever become of it.

Like so many other Alamy 'promising' innovations. 😞

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2 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Like so many other Alamy 'promising' innovations. 😞

 

 

That seems harsh to me. Participation continues to be optional. I have looked around a lot and not seen anything better than Alamy.

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1 hour ago, John Mitchell said:

Perhaps after you opt out of distribution, it's up to the distributors in China (or wherever) to remove your images from their websites, and in this case it didn't happen. Just a thought...

 

P.S. I encountered this problem when I was requesting removal of images from other agencies in order to make them exclusive to Alamy (what a waste of time that was). One particular agency still hadn't removed my images after six months, so I had to contact them on at least two occasions.

 

 

 

i had found my images on an African distributor,  the day after i removed all of Africa, my images were gone, so i could still have had sales in following weeks based on reporting lag, but they were off line.

 

  I am still convinced all these sales are from the last 12 months, and there has been 0 reporting throughout the year, it makes no sense that they would have all been sold in last month or so, and we can be sure 4 cents sales net would have been mentioned, and this is why those of us who went out mid-year still have some sales. 

 

and even if my guess is right, to quote Reimar  "Alamy has some 'splainin to do" :

1)these sales should have been under the old contract

2)this is a major issue with their new tiers.  Someone could have sales today, that would not be reported until December, so if there is a Level drop that's unfair, and worse if these sales would have put someone over threshold....

 

 

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A few years back I said here that Alamy is becoming a microstock agency (both in terms of quality of the images and in $$$) like SS etc.. Here we go...

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Hi all, 

 

Thank you for all of the information you have provided here, our CR team are just getting back into the swing of things after the Christmas break and this will be useful to help us look into what's happened in this case to give a clear answer. If you've got a specific question about your sales, please email contributors@alamy.com but be mindful that there may be a delayed response as we get back up to speed and work through the backlog from the festive period. 

 

All the best

Corin 

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Like many, I too have recently had some sales for pennies.  All are to China, and amazingly most are in perpetuity - quite incredible.  Just WHY are Alamy selling these at ridiculously low rates.

 

As someone who has been to Tibet for ethical reasons I do not want my photographs sold to China.  

 

If Alamy persist in treating us photographers like idiots then there is one simple solution - I will not be uploading any more material to Alamy.

 

Robbie Shaw

 

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I haven't been on the receiving end of these sales - yet

I have skim read the thread that John has linked to though

I certainly won't be increasing my RF images as this seems to be a part of the problem- will be sticking to RM

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6 minutes ago, Foreign Export said:

I haven't been on the receiving end of these sales - yet

I have skim read the thread that John has linked to though

I certainly won't be increasing my RF images as this seems to be a part of the problem- will be sticking to RM

 

Agreed, puts me off RF for sure.

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29 minutes ago, Foreign Export said:

I haven't been on the receiving end of these sales - yet

I have skim read the thread that John has linked to though

I certainly won't be increasing my RF images as this seems to be a part of the problem- will be sticking to RM

 

still not 100% proof, one of my Chinese Distributor "sale" was RM

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