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2 hours ago, GeoffK said:

 

Alamy had a forum well before that - I have an email about the forum (from MS....remember them) in January 2009 and I think it had been going some time previously.

 

The previous incarnation was interesting to say the least....

You are so right. There was a forum when I joined. A somewhat nasty one, where a few bad apples carrying their tremendous egos in slings started flame wars, and were particularly mean to newbies asking questions. It was this reason Alamy actually shut down the forum for awhile, then reopened leaving out some of the worst offenders, and with warnings to “play nice.”

That’s when this kinder, gentler forum was born, and I began to be an active member in it.

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7 minutes ago, Betty LaRue said:

You are so right. There was a forum when I joined. A somewhat nasty one, where a few bad apples carrying their tremendous egos in slings started flame wars, and were particularly mean to newbies asking questions. It was this reason Alamy actually shut down the forum for awhile, then reopened leaving out some of the worst offenders, and with warnings to “play nice.”

That’s when this kinder, gentler forum was born, and I began to be an active member in it.

One very sensible thing they did was to link forum user name with portfolio regardless of pseudonym so people were not able to hide. I recall several people leaving at the time (2013) for that reason, some of whom have come back. Anonymity allows people to behave in ways that they would never do face to face.  If social media could do the same, then it might help with trolling and the vile abuse that gets reported.  

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I think some people were afraid their images would be copied. Alamy was somewhat more active in controlling us for a while...  and I was trying to campaign against the wretched red arrows. Some people left and I still miss Philippe.😉🤪😝,  Had to add emojis in his memory.

 

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2 hours ago, MizBrown said:

 

How much does it cost to form an agency in the UK?   Some of the people with the larger portfolios (over 10K) might want to consider doing that which might allow you collectively to get a better contract with Alamy or to be able to afford insurance against legal expenses, and I believe agencies are allowed to set minimum prices in the new contract.   It worked for a number of photographers from 1947 to the present.

 

Best wishes for the people who did put so much work into these portfolios and to the people with smaller specialized ports who seemed to be making repeat sales with them, whether it's with Alamy or not.

 

 

 

 

Not exactly what you wrote about but on the same tangent.

 

There are obviously huge problems in doing something like this which is why so many attempts at creating a co-op agency have failed. I was involved in the every early stages of one that ended up being called Picade.  I am not even going to try and list the obvious problems relating to differences of opinions, funding, but crucially marketing,

 

A very simple practical problem is that all the platforms such as Photoshelter are for individuals. They do offer an agency option but I guess it is $1000 or month and more.

 

The short cut way of doing it would be to find an established agency that had everything in place and could do the marketing and selling and which wanted a large input of new images. But as with all of these ideas it soon hits the wall because of the level of pricing that prevails for most imagery. 

 

I don't think that portfolio size is what matters, more the niche, specialist quality - and for that there are agencies that already exist but they are choosy.

 

Let's not forget that Alamy and the other mega portals have wiped out a very large number of small specialist agencies. Very little remains and for good reason - the same fundamental reason that really limits the idea of a photographer start-up agency.

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8 minutes ago, NYCat said:

I think some people were afraid their images would be copied. Alamy was somewhat more active in controlling us for a while...  and I was trying to campaign against the wretched red arrows. Some people left and I still miss Philippe.

 

Paulette

 

I have emailed you.

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22 minutes ago, Martin P Wilson said:

 

I have emailed you.

 

I this is about your discussion  group would you please also email me?

 

geogphotos@gmail.com

 

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Keith Douglas wrote;

"And the agency is asking the contributor to shoulder risks that are outside their control and that could wipe out all their income and more in a single lawsuit."

 

For this reason, mainly, as well as the commission change, I won't be accepting the new contract. 

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Keith Douglas wrote;

"And the agency is asking the contributor to shoulder risks that are outside their control and that could wipe out all their income and more in a single lawsuit."

 

For this reason, mainly, as well as the commission change, I won't be accepting the new contract. 

 

I thought that was more significant than the commission change.  And given the tendency of all factions here to abuse Photoshop and Sony copyrights (one campaign song here), nope, nope. 

 

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1 minute ago, MizBrown said:

 

And given the tendency of all factions here to abuse Photoshop

 

 

What does this mean ???? Are you suggesting everyone here abuses Adobe licensing. I've had a legal licence for Photoshop since 1997. 

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20 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

What does this mean ???? Are you suggesting everyone here abuses Adobe licensing. I've had a legal licence for Photoshop since 1997. 

I think MizBrown is talking about the political situation in their country of residence, not anyone on Alamy.

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I just sent in my termination email, but got an "undeliverable" response.

 

Annddd...a Sunday sale just showed up, mid $$, an older "well this'll never sell but I'll submit it" image.

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I read Nodvandigtid's recent post. It is indeed very well-written, not to mention worrisome. However, as someone who knows very little about legal matters, I can't help wondering how different and more onerous (legally speaking) is Alamy's new contract compared to those of other large stock photo agencies. Without mentioning the names of specific agencies, can anyone with experience comment on this?

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4 hours ago, MizBrown said:

 

How much does it cost to form an agency in the UK?   Some of the people with the larger portfolios (over 10K) might want to consider doing that which might allow you collectively to get a better contract with Alamy or to be able to afford insurance against legal expenses, and I believe agencies are allowed to set minimum prices in the new contract.   It worked for a number of photographers from 1947 to the present.

 

Best wishes for the people who did put so much work into these portfolios and to the people with smaller specialized ports who seemed to be making repeat sales with them, whether it's with Alamy or not.

 

 

 

If memory serves, at one time, PhotoShelter used to allow individual subscribers with similar interests to join together to form "virtual stock agencies." I thought it was a very innovative idea and joined a couple myself. Unfortunately, it fizzled big time.

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1 hour ago, MDM said:

 

What does this mean ???? Are you suggesting everyone here abuses Adobe licensing. I've had a legal licence for Photoshop since 1997. 

 

In Nicaragua.   We've got elections coming up and during the mess in 2018, we had people Photoshopping a tank in the streets of Leon, a video of a "murdered girl" who apparently answered her phone on the compete video.   One US political party also used stock photos and claimed they were various people who'd had objections to the other party's policy. 

 

I took photos of events in 2018 and was very careful to caption them neutrally.

 

Abusing Photoshop -- using it to make inflammatory composite photos. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

One US political party also used stock photos and claimed they were various people who'd had objections to the other party's policy. 

 

Miz, while this has happened in the USA, it first happened in Canada. Since then, political parties all over the world have used stock images to make their points. It's one of several reasons I no longer do lifestyle work. 

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30 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

I read Nodvandigtid's recent post. It is indeed very well-written, not to mention worrisome. However, as someone who knows very little about legal matters, I can't help wondering how different and more onerous (legally speaking) is Alamy's new contract compared to those of other large stock photo agencies. Without mentioning the names of specific agencies, can anyone with experience comment on this?

Hi John,

 

Unfortunately I cannot answer that because about 99% or more of my images here at Alamy are genuinely exclusive to it.

I suspect there will be equally onerous contract terms out there with some stock agencies  and less onerous contracts with some others. It is up to us all individually to decide what we can accept and the risk a contract poses. 

Just for clarity here is how clause 5.1 of the Alamy contract is changing - Alamy have made this clear but  I have reformatted the wording and spread it out over more lines simply to make each sub-point separate for comparison purposes.  

 

 

Existing contract up to and including 30/06/21

 

5.1 You will indemnify, defend (at the request of Alamy) and hold Alamy and its sub-licensees and assigns harmless against any prejudice, damage, liability or costs (including reasonable lawyers' fees) which any of the indemnified parties incur arising from or in respect of any claim that there has been a breach of your representations, obligations and warranties in this contract. This paragraph will remain in force after the termination of this contract.

 

 

New contract from 01/07/21

 

    1. You will indemnify, defend (at the request of Alamy) and hold Alamy and its affiliates, Customers, Distributors, sub-licensees and assigns (the “Indemnified Parties”) harmless against any and all claims, damages, liabilities, losses, costs and expenses (including reasonable legal expenses) which any of the Indemnified Parties incur arising from or in in relation to

 

: (i) any claim that the Content infringes any third party’s rights including but not limited to any third party trademark, copyright, moral rights or other intellectual property rights, or any right of privacy or publicity;

 

  1. any use, exploitation or distribution of the Content by the Indemnified Parties;

 

  1. any claim against Alamy as a result of Alamy or its representatives pursuing an actual or suspected infringement of any Content; and

 

  1. any breach of any your representations, obligations and warranties under this Contract or the System.

 

This clause will remain in force after the termination of this Contract.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bill Brooks said:

 

This really sums it up. Everyone should read it. I wish I had the same depth polish and breadth as this poster.  I would keyword it as enlightened,  informed, aware, educated, knowledgeable, learned, wise, literate, intellectual, tutored, illuminated, apprised; civilized, refined, cultured, cultivated, sophisticated, advanced, developed, liberal, open-minded, broad-minded. 

 

Thanks Nodvandigtid

Many thanks for your kind words Bill.

All the best going forward. 

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3 minutes ago, Brian Yarvin said:

 

Miz, while this has happened in the USA, it first happened in Canada. Since then, political parties all over the world have used stock images to make their points. It's one of several reasons I no longer do lifestyle work. 

 

Yeah, I wonder if my released selfie that sold for a little over a dollar will show up in some way that I'm politically opposed to. 

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7 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

Yeah, I wonder if my released selfie that sold for a little over a dollar will show up in some way that I'm politically opposed to. 

 

Back in the eighties, a whale shoot I did off Cape Cod was used to promote whaling in Japan. It happens.

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19 minutes ago, Nodvandigtid said:

Hi John,

 

Unfortunately I cannot answer that because about 99% or more of my images here at Alamy are genuinely exclusive to it.

I suspect there will be equally onerous contract terms out there with some stock agencies  and less onerous contracts with some others. It is up to us all individually to decide what we can accept and the risk a contract poses. 

Just for clarity here is how clause 5.1 of the Alamy contract is changing - Alamy have made this clear but  I have reformatted the wording and spread it out over more lines simply to make each sub-point separate for comparison purposes.  

 

 

Existing contract up to and including 30/06/21

 

5.1 You will indemnify, defend (at the request of Alamy) and hold Alamy and its sub-licensees and assigns harmless against any prejudice, damage, liability or costs (including reasonable lawyers' fees) which any of the indemnified parties incur arising from or in respect of any claim that there has been a breach of your representations, obligations and warranties in this contract. This paragraph will remain in force after the termination of this contract.

 

 

New contract from 01/07/21

 

    1. You will indemnify, defend (at the request of Alamy) and hold Alamy and its affiliates, Customers, Distributors, sub-licensees and assigns (the “Indemnified Parties”) harmless against any and all claims, damages, liabilities, losses, costs and expenses (including reasonable legal expenses) which any of the Indemnified Parties incur arising from or in in relation to

 

: (i) any claim that the Content infringes any third party’s rights including but not limited to any third party trademark, copyright, moral rights or other intellectual property rights, or any right of privacy or publicity;

 

  1. any use, exploitation or distribution of the Content by the Indemnified Parties;

 

  1. any claim against Alamy as a result of Alamy or its representatives pursuing an actual or suspected infringement of any Content; and

 

  1. any breach of any your representations, obligations and warranties under this Contract or the System.

 

This clause will remain in force after the termination of this Contract.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your reply. I wish I were more literate in these matters. Even with my limited understanding, I can see that the new clause appears to take some quantum leaps when it comes to shifting liability to contributors.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Andreas said:

My current plan: mail contributor service to set all pics to: exclusive to Alamy = N, editorial only.  I was carefully in assigning correct metadata, but have to limit the risk.

And collect my better future shots in order to have sufficient material to apply elsewhere, luckily still some options exist. If by whatever means (less sales or changed levels) my share is reduced to 20% I'll quit.

Send my mail, error:

"contributors@alamy.com
The recipient's mailbox is full and can't accept messages now."

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12 minutes ago, Brian Yarvin said:

 

Back in the eighties, a whale shoot I did off Cape Cod was used to promote whaling in Japan. It happens.

 

I wrote about Philadelphia male models being very upset about being used in local anti-AIDS/HIV ads which implied they were sex workers or needle drug users who had HIV.   But they'd signed releases.   

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