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2 hours ago, MDM said:

So to reiterate this is not new and if you are worried about it now why have you not worried about it for the last 11 years at least?

 

 

Also the fact that Alamy actually contacted contributors to ask about removal of restrictions is surely a positive thing - they are actually asking and not riding roughshod over restrictions.

 

 

The thing is that if PA/Alamy would say that they weren't changing the compensation structure and then did within less than a month.   If there are companies out there that are looking for cheap ad material, what's to say PA/Alamy won't decide that if someone other than the photographer is claiming to be able to supply releases, then it's unreasonable to not remove the restrictions.

 

We know what they just did with people's incomes from photos after saying that wouldn't happen, what, two weeks earlier.

 

I'd also be concerned that there was no longer going to be an annual independent audit. 

 

I think for me, it's the little things that mounted up, particularly the mislabeled things in fields I know fair to very well, the tolerance of spamming keywords (a couple of searches for Nicaragua, the first photo was of a toucan taken in Costa Rica).   I'd take down all my cats if I had some sense that my unique and near unique photos weren't going to be drowned in a mess of someone's Mexican or Costa Rican vacation shots claiming to be Nicaraguan, or that someone didn't understand that "Nicaraguan Sign Language" wasn't a a search for Nicaraguan advertising signs in Spanish (the people making that search do know what they're looking for).

 

The company doesn't appear to be well managed at the curatorial level, of keeping the database clean, of actually punishing people who deliberately mislabel photos (and not all of us because some people, deliberately or not, mislabeled their photos as exclusive to Alamy).

 

Reducing the sub $250 a year people to 20% may not clean up the database because I suspect the people who spam keywords don't really care what they make since they don't try to have anything particularly unique on the site and they were on vacation anyway.  And PA/Alamy doesn't care if a search for cichlids gets parrot fish, tangs, and saltwater butterfly fish, or if a search for a rare parrot gets one a different parrot.  But I kinda do.  John Mitchell wants the plants to be accurate because if Alamy is known  for providing accurate botanical pictures, everyone who photographs plants for PA/Alamy will do better.  If the first page of a search for Nicaragua shows a couple of Mexican and Costa Rican shots, then how does that help? 

 

Cutting the minor photographers down to 20% isn't going to fix those problems.  The bad minors probably don't care or don't even know that there's a new contract in progress, or what's in it.   PA/Alamy doesn't care because the licenses for rare photos are probably themselves rare, even if they get higher fees. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

The thing is that if PA/Alamy would say that they weren't changing the compensation structure and then did within less than a month.   If there are companies out there that are looking for cheap ad material, what's to say PA/Alamy won't decide that if someone other than the photographer is claiming to be able to supply releases, then it's unreasonable to not remove the restrictions.

 

We know what they just did with people's incomes from photos after saying that wouldn't happen, what, two weeks earlier.

 

 

 

As we have been concluding, it all comes down to trust. If Alamy don't come back very soon, then that will be another nail in the coffin for trust. As Jill pointed out it is almost the end of the normal working week here.

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I am interested to know if Alamy's previous charitable standing still exists under the PA takeover.

 

Allan

 

I know you are all going to ask what this has to do with our "new contract" concerns?  I don't know for definiteas I am not a lawyer but it could affect the contract terms in certain situations.

 

ITMA

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12 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

 

I think for me, it's the little things that mounted up, particularly the mislabeled things in fields I know fair to very well, the tolerance of spamming keywords (a couple of searches for Nicaragua, the first photo was of a toucan taken in Costa Rica).   I'd take down all my cats if I had some sense that my unique and near unique photos weren't going to be drowned in a mess of someone's Mexican or Costa Rican vacation shots claiming to be Nicaraguan, or that someone didn't understand that "Nicaraguan Sign Language" wasn't a a search for Nicaraguan advertising signs in Spanish (the people making that search do know what they're looking for).

 

The company doesn't appear to be well managed at the curatorial level, of keeping the database clean, of actually punishing people who deliberately mislabel photos (and not all of us because some people, deliberately or not, mislabeled their photos as exclusive to Alamy).

 

Reducing the sub $250 a year people to 20% may not clean up the database because I suspect the people who spam keywords don't really care what they make since they don't try to have anything particularly unique on the site and they were on vacation anyway.  And PA/Alamy doesn't care if a search for cichlids gets parrot fish, tangs, and saltwater butterfly fish, or if a search for a rare parrot gets one a different parrot.  But I kinda do.  John Mitchell wants the plants to be accurate because if Alamy is known  for providing accurate botanical pictures, everyone who photographs plants for PA/Alamy will do better.  If the first page of a search for Nicaragua shows a couple of Mexican and Costa Rican shots, then how does that help? 

 

Cutting the minor photographers down to 20% isn't going to fix those problems.  The bad minors probably don't care or don't even know that there's a new contract in progress, or what's in it.   PA/Alamy doesn't care because the licenses for rare photos are probably themselves rare, even if they get higher fees. 

 

 

 

From what I have noticed, I think some of the worst keyword spammers are the agencies.  And look at the image spamming from that one agency in another thread on here.  And Alamy lets the agencies get away with it.

 

Alamy is counting on the silver category to become its' biggest money maker.  Myself and many others on this forum will soon find themselves there as prices keep falling.  By next year, probably 1/2 of Alamy's contributors will be there, with Alamy making twice the money they made from them in the gold category.  That is where Alamy wants most of the contributors to end up.

 

Jill

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2 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

I am interested to know if Alamy's previous charitable standing still exists under the PA takeover.

 

Allan

 

I know you are all going to ask what this has to do with our "new contract" concerns?  I don't know for definiteas I am not a lawyer but it could affect the contract terms in certain situations.

 

ITMA

Do you reckon they'll keep the 100% student cut? 😄 I can imagine PA bosses eyes bulging when they found out that's an option.

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4 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

I am interested to know if Alamy's previous charitable standing still exists under the PA takeover.

 

Allan

 

I know you are all going to ask what this has to do with our "new contract" concerns?  I don't know for definiteas I am not a lawyer but it could affect the contract terms in certain situations.

 

ITMA

 

Not sure what you mean, but the list of contract changes for clause 12.6-to-12.7, and 12.7-to-12.8, concerning forfeited contributors' commissions, removes references to Alamy contributing such amounts to a charity of their choice. Now the amounts are simply forfeited, meaning Alamy gets them.

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2 minutes ago, RyanU said:

Do you reckon they'll keep the 100% student cut? 😄 I can imagine PA bosses eyes bulging when they found out that's an option.

 

Seriously I don't think that there are that many "Students" contributing but I could be wrong. Am I right in making the assumption you are a Student?

 

Allan

 

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10 minutes ago, Jill Morgan said:

 

From what I have noticed, I think some of the worst keyword spammers are the agencies.  And look at the image spamming from that one agency in another thread on here.  And Alamy lets the agencies get away with it.

 

Alamy is counting on the silver category to become its' biggest money maker.  Myself and many others on this forum will soon find themselves there as prices keep falling.  By next year, probably 1/2 of Alamy's contributors will be there, with Alamy making twice the money they made from them in the gold category.  That is where Alamy wants most of the contributors to end up.

 

Jill

 

I suspect it is probably more like 80% that will fall into the Silver category. Think how many people have popped inhere, complaining that thery have put up 50 photogra[phs a month ago and have not made any money ;) They then disappear, I bet their account and photographs just end up orphaned.

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Just now, Bill Kuta said:

 

Not sure what you mean, but the list of contract changes for clause 12.6-to-12.7, and 12.7-to-12.8, concerning forfeited contributors' commissions, removes references to Alamy contributing such amounts to a charity of their choice. Now the amounts are simply forfeited, meaning Alamy gets them.

 

I understand that in the earlier years a percentage of Alamy's profits were contributed to a particular charity and to do this I believe they would have had some "charitable status".

 

Allan

 

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10 minutes ago, Jill Morgan said:

 

 

Alamy is counting on the silver category to become its' biggest money maker.  Myself and many others on this forum will soon find themselves there as prices keep falling.  By next year, probably 1/2 of Alamy's contributors will be there, with Alamy making twice the money they made from them in the gold category.  That is where Alamy wants most of the contributors to end up.

 

Jill

 

 

interesting interpretation, i actually assumed it as Alamy trying to steer Silver category away and leaving the agency.  We know they would be highest net revenue per licenced image, but are we sure they are higher profit makers?  I assume Alamy has more data of overhead, and per contributor costs.  speaking as a former pricing person, it would be an interesting pricing exercise, you sometimes get interesting results what ends up being more profitable. 

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9 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Seriously I don't think that there are that many "Students" contributing but I could be wrong. Am I right in making the assumption you are a Student?

 

Allan

 

I'm not, but sure wish I was...

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To Alamy: Marking my images as "Exclusive To Alamy" no longer has a financial benefit to me. What benefit does Exclusivity have? Is Alamy now/still chasing down miss-uses and wrong licensing?

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3 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

 

 

interesting interpretation, i actually assumed it as Alamy trying to steer Silver category away and leaving the agency.  We know they would be highest net revenue per licenced image, but are we sure they are higher profit makers?  I assume Alamy has more data of overhead, and per contributor costs.  speaking as a former pricing person, it would be an interesting pricing exercise, you sometimes get interesting results what ends up being more profitable. 

 

Then why did PA/Alamy not just come out and tell the ones they want rid of to go. It would have been a lot easier that faffing about like they are at the moment.

 

Allan

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Seriously I don't think that there are that many "Students" contributing but I could be wrong.

 

 

 

We are all students Allan or should be. Never stop learning and, if you have, it's never too late to restart (learning).

 

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4 minutes ago, RyanU said:

I'm not, but sure wish I was...

 

Actually I am, have been for 2= years,  but never though to ask for 100% I am doing a photography related PhD.

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Just now, Martin P Wilson said:

 

Actually I am, have been for 2= years,  but never though to ask for 100% I am doing a photography related PhD.

If you have the ac.uk email / student ID I believe you're eligible!

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1 minute ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Then why did PA/Alamy not just come out and tell the ones they want rid of to go. It would have been a lot easier that faffing about like they are at the moment.

 

Allan

 

 

 

 

 

because, as we have seen, communication is not a strength. 

 

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Just now, MDM said:

 

We are all students Allan or should be. Never stop learning and, if you have, it's never too late to restart (learning).

 

 

Oh! I am! I am! definatly still learning and therefore a student. A very mature student.

 

Allan

 

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Just now, Allan Bell said:

 

Oh! I am! I am! definatly still learning and therefore a student. A very mature student.

 

Allan

 

 

i guess i'm an immature student 

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1 minute ago, RyanU said:

If you have the ac.uk email / student ID I believe you're eligible!

 

Bugger. Since my early retirement, I've been an Open University student.

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1 minute ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Oh! I am! I am! definatly still learning and therefore a student. A very mature student.

 

Allan

 

 

Are you the real H then. Line of Duty fans only.😀

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Just now, meanderingemu said:

 

i guess i'm an immature student 

 

I should have underlined mature.

 

Allan

 

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1 minute ago, Russell Watkins said:

 

Bugger. Since my early retirement, I've been an Open University student.

I think they provide an ou.ac.uk email address?

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1 minute ago, MDM said:

 

 

Are you the real H then. Line of Duty fans only.😀

 

Not a fan but YES and I give you the £10 reward for recognising me.

 

Allan

 

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Just now, RyanU said:

I think they provide an ou.ac.uk email address?

 

Yup they do. And they're part of UniDays so I get educational discounts at places like Apple. I've just bought a little printer with an educational discount from HP using my OU email address too.

 

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