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2 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

Twenty percent isn't the real kicker.  That's unfortunately the common base rate pretty much everywhere I checked

 

 

20 % WOULD be  a real kicker. I will never understand all these people accepting such conditions. All of my current other agencies split 50:50.

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I have been with Alamy since 2005, through many years of self employment, which Alamy has greatly helped me with.  Fortunately I now work full time as a photographer for a regional newspaper in Scotland so Alamy had become extra income for me which has helped.   Over the years the income from alamy has fallen steadily due almost entirely to the contract changes. I am comfortably above the $250 per year income so will be on the 40% commission but like so many feel it has become a waste of my time.  The total income from my photos  is well over $100,000 since I joined,   alamy and I have worked well for each other.  But now at 40% what is the point.  The point for alamy is there are now too many contributors on alamy and they don't really want to bother with the smaller end contributors but they have a model of accepting all images, as long as the quality is good enough, from anyone. It seems to me the model no longer works.  That is why these changes have been put in place.    My collection of images will keep me at 40% but my interest in uploading has gone,  but that is exactly what Alamy want.   It looks like putting up images on my, now last, photolibrary has become pointless.

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28 minutes ago, noelbennett said:

I wonder would Alamy provide an independent lawyer or even their own lawyer to review the contract and provide answers here. We are not in the legal profession and lay people are often apt to misinterpret contracts.  

I would way rather have someone not connected with Alamy do the review.   Someone might have a lawyer friend who could do it pro bono.  Or we could take up a collection.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, ManfredG said:

20 % WOULD be  a real kicker. I will never understand all these people accepting such conditions. All of my current other agencies split 50:50.

 My email address is mac0g0ense @ gmail....   sub lower case for the numerics and complete the obvious.   I'd love to know some agencies that split 50:50. 

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4 minutes ago, Michael Photo said:

Would love to know what these agencies are.

Most non microstock agencies (Getty IS microstock nowadays) I know about will offer at least 40 %. But of course, these agencies will not accept every photographer and all images. Indeed most of them are very picky.

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16 minutes ago, ManfredG said:

all these people accepting such conditions.

We're like the frog in the pan of boiling water. It gets hotter, but never too hot, until..........

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16 minutes ago, ManfredG said:

20 % WOULD be  a real kicker. I will never understand all these people accepting such conditions. All of my current other agencies split 50:50.

I would love to know more about this agencies, how can I contact you?

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15 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

I would way rather have someone not connected with Alamy do the review.   Someone might have a lawyer friend who could do it pro bono.  Or we could take up a collection.

 

 

I totally agree. If selling your house you wouldn't ask the Buyer's lawyer to work for you. I still contend that a number of the new clauses have been inserted from the "Philadelphia Lawyers Book" of catch all terms and many are demonstrably unenforceable legally. That said I'm not enamoured with others which are so heavily weighted in Alamy's favour as to be oppressive and dangerous.

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11 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

We're like the frog in the pan of boiling water. It gets hotter, but never too hot, until..........

 

Just sent my termination email.  The water is too hot.  I looked at Patreon and that might be a better fit for me given that I write and take photographs.  Been real, I suppose.  I will miss the camaraderie of the forum.  Mostly, y'all are wonderful people.   I'm OreInNicaragua on Twitter. 

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29 minutes ago, Michael Photo said:

Would love to know what these agencies are.


Apart from my direct sales, I sell my photos (niche photos I don't sell on Alamy) also through another UK-based specialized photo agency. Split is 40(to me)/60(to them) for pictures in exclusivity; yet, the median gross revenue per picture I'm currently getting from them is £250 (so £100 net to me); furthermore, I have a dedicated content editor and their technical editors check every single photo I submit looking for the tiniest spot or hair I didn't notice before and kindly inform me consequently. What Alamy will do for the same 60% they suppose I'd give to them, in comparison?

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3 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

Just sent my termination email.  The water is too hot.  I looked at Patreon and that might be a better fit for me given that I write and take photographs.  Been real, I suppose.  I will miss the camaraderie of the forum.  Mostly, y'all are wonderful people. 

 

We should set up a 'Retired from Alamy' forum somewhere.....

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1 hour ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Now, if anyone could tell me an easy way of getting the data from the Excel file into my files, I'd be really grateful!

EXIFTool.exe can do this automatically for all the jpgs in a folder using the Excel data, but unfortunately it's quite a complex program to use. https://exiftool.org/

 

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17 minutes ago, Thyrsis said:

 

We should set up a 'Retired from Alamy' forum somewhere.....

 

If I set up a Patreon page, I may rejoin FB.  Just edited Alamy out of my Twitter bio.  The good was being pushed to take better photos, but that push came from the other photographers, not Alamy.   I also am here, not in a US city or in the UK.   If I were in the US, say in Philadelphia, continuing might make sense, but I'm not. 

 

I have no doubt that Alamy will lose people and replace them with even more people due to the current economic situation world wide. 

 

Once upon a time in another century and country, I told people that they should set an end limit on trying to sell fiction, because so many people made stupid sacrifices long after it was apparent that they weren't going to ever either make money or get critical acclaim for tenure advancement.   I've given Alamy four and a half years.  I still have my cameras and lights, and can continue to try to improve my photography, but I'm 73 years old.   If Alamy doesn't have the stones to fire people after giving them a chance, then we should have the grace to remove ourselves.

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1 hour ago, Jansos said:

I'll have a look and see if there is any obvious key field to use that links with original file. I very much doubt it though.

The original image ref (i.e. your jpg filename) can be used as the "key" (assuming you haven't renamed the jpgs on your computer since uploading to Alamy).

 

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24 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

Just sent my termination email.  The water is too hot.  I looked at Patreon and that might be a better fit for me given that I write and take photographs.  Been real, I suppose.  I will miss the camaraderie of the forum.  Mostly, y'all are wonderful people.   I'm OreInNicaragua on Twitter. 

 

 

sad to see great people like you go.  i will miss your insight and your stories of Nicaragua.  

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34 minutes ago, MizBrown said:

 

Just sent my termination email.  The water is too hot.  I looked at Patreon and that might be a better fit for me given that I write and take photographs.  Been real, I suppose.  I will miss the camaraderie of the forum.  Mostly, y'all are wonderful people.   I'm OreInNicaragua on Twitter. 

 

 

Good luck in the future with whatever you do.

 

So sad to see forum 'stalwarts' leaving.

 

John.

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Let's face it, most contributors don't read the forum.  Many will see the change in commission and that is that.  And any joining from now on, will likely not read the contract (as many business count on) and be totally unaware of what they are setting themselves up for.  I'm still in limbo mode, but if no changes, will probably remove any images with people and only have cutesy RF wildlife images.  This of course will send me deep in to Silver mode, so then I will probably just go quietly in to the night.

 

Every contributor should have received not only the new contract, but notifications of where every change is from the previous one and what the means in layman's terms.  I have a number of companies I deal with online who do that.  Sometimes it is hard to find all the subtle changes in wording if you don't check hard enough.

 

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Yes, can't get in, or once in can't see posts. Error messages.

 

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11 hours ago, AndrewP said:

I have lots of images of similar. Surely the buyers have to agree that they will only publish the image in a way that is suitable when there's no MR or PR in place. We can't be expected to be liable for the actions of buyers who should know better if they publish a store front as commercial and not editorial.

 

That has been my thinking as well. However, with the new contract, I'm no sure what's going on. Best to be proactive and start checking the "editorial use only box"? I don't know. I'm admittedly pretty naive about legal matters. It would be helpful if Alamy could give us a bit more guidance.

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