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2 minutes ago, Bill Kuta said:

Anyone selling on Photoshelter? How's it going?  Asking because I have a family archive project that needs a home, so could maybe kill two birds with one stone.

 

Also, I'll reiterate that while the commission structure is a very aggravating change, I'm more concerned about the shifting of responsibilities/liabilities/potential costs onto contributors.

 

They're charging $10 a month and up.  And you're running your own website so you'd get all the legal liabilities there.   First rule from the Science Fiction Writers of America's advice to new writers -- money should flow to the writer, not from the writer.   Same applies with paying for storage space vs. 20% of something or nothing.  If they're making money from the photographers, hopeless wannabes far outnumber people who could have been staff photographers before newspapers started outsourcing photography.  

 

I'm about to see what Wikipedia says about Magnum, which was created as a photographer's coop to sell/license photos by its members. 

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@AlamyI'd also like to know what the plan is with Stockimo commissions - nothing was mentioned about that in the blog post. I started with Stockimo as an Alamy contributor at the 50% commission rate and have over 3,500 photos listed there so I'd really like to know what to expect. (and yes I am aware that we're not supposed to discuss Stockimo here, but there's no other place to discuss it, and you did ask us to present our questions here. . .) And I guess further I'd add that it would be nice to have a forum in which it IS ok for Stockimo contributors to discuss their experiences!

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1 hour ago, geogphotos said:

Deja Vu all over again? 😁

 

 

"We recently sent an email regarding a change in the commission structure at Alamy where the commission contributors receive for direct sales will change from 50% to 40% in February 2019.

After careful review, and taking into consideration photographer feedback, we have come to the decision that images exclusive to Alamy will remain at 50%.

Our CEO James West has explained the exclusivity commission in further detail in a video which you can view, and leave comments on below."

 

It's quite transparent and obvious now from the former CEO that the contempt and lack of compassion he had for contributors was purely to make Alamy as attractive as possible ready to sell out, and now the new owners have got their greedy corporate glasses on! 

 

But remember this Alamy, keep driving commissions lower and lower for corporate profit is not a good long term business model, There's an old saying which is so true

'Pay peanuts and you end up with monkeys'! 

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42 minutes ago, hotbrightsky said:

 

"Full member dues are $100.00 USD annually". 😄

https://www.sfwa.org/about/join-us/sfwa-membership-requirements/

 

I'm not a member anymore.  Basically, you have to have sold three short stories or one novel to get in as a full member.  I was on a committee that looked into making SFWA more exclusive and got into a head butting contest with a couple of the older pros who wanted to kick out all the "three story wonders."  Talked to the guy who founded SFWA and heard what Robert Heinlein said about membership qualifications earlier (life is hard enough for writers without forcing them to reprove themselves every year or whatever.  Guy who founded SWFA said that there weren't enough full-time pros to support the organization.   In SWFA's cases on this, the wounds were internally inflicted.   The minimum pay rate for pro status short fiction was three cents a word.   Probably half to three quarters of the membership hadn't sold much beyond the three stories or one novel with a commercial publisher to qualify.   Not that different from here in some ways.  My total sales for the almost five years I've been here are $811.  I'm going to get 20% of anything I sell in the future. 

 

SWFA does give Nebula awards, supports a SFWA suit at conventions (if I liked going to conventions), and does have a medical emergency fund and a legal fund (which one author used when another author swiped his manuscript and turned it in to a publisher as his own book under contract).

 

If PA/Alamy was giving emergency grants to long term members in the gold and platinum ranges, it might be a bit more humane.   Also, stop with the junk sales already.  

 

Selling hundreds or thousands of $1 or less photos a day might be profitable for PA/Alamy but it's not working for the individual photographers.  

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1 hour ago, Sally said:

This is no problem if you use Alamy Lightroom Bridge, which I keep blaming on about but few people seem to use. It will download all captions and keywords automatically once you’ve matched the images in Lightroom to those on Alamy.

 

I tried it, and actually paid for it.  I had about 20K files at the time but I had keyworded about 13K of these online so didn't have copies in my own files.  At first it downloaded the data at a reasonable rate but very soon it slowed to an absolute crawl (and I have a very fast broadband connection).  I calculated that at the rate it steadied at it would take at least three weeks to complete if I left the computer on 24/7.  I gave up on it.

 

I have been using IMatch for years and the latest version has a CSV Importer module so I converted the Excel file to a CSV file and imported the keywords and captions from that.  Not quite as straightforward as it sounds, mostly caused by a few stray commas in the Excel and/or CSV file which caused problems, but it was all sorted in a couple of days.

 

Sorry, straying off topic....

 

 

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1 hour ago, Alan Beastall said:

Just tried to 'download your data' in Image manager but getting this message. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong or have Alamy stopped this facility?

 

System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object. at ASP.myupload_metadatadownloadhandler_aspx.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)

That's an error that's been around for a long time. It seems to happen if there's a discrepancy in the number of images the system thinks are in your collection. Alamy can fix this for you.

 

Mark

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6 minutes ago, Broad Norfolk said:

 

I also have been a fairly long term Contributor to Alamy and, to a certain extent, my path from early retirement has been been very similar.

 

I love photography and set up a small business run in my own way which incorporated several aspects including stock, print sales, National and International  Salons. The least successful of these has become stock which, to be honest, is subsidized by other parts of the business and hasn't been sustainable for a while now.

 

I never include my successful Salon images in my stock portfolio. These fetch £££ as print sales and the thought of one of them being in stock and fetching $0.10 is just not bearing thinking about. Once again, a situation partially caused by a saturated market. 

 

I had a successful Business career and know what should be done, although a little late, as I'm sure many other Contributors are of a like mind.

 

There are many telling comments in this thread and the one I would like to add is the apparent attitude of Alamy towards it's Contributors. It is very noticeable to me over recent years how the Business nous of it's Contributors has become very underestimated. To put it bluntly, I don't like being treated like an idiot.

 

Sad times,

 

Jim.

 

 

 

 

 

     

 

 

I think we’re being treated like Cinderella by the wicked stepmother.

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DACS payments

When the last contract was issued by mistake (i don't know how) I gave Alamy permission to claim against DACS on my behalf. As they take I assume half in commission I always regretted it.

Does anyone know with this new contract I can reverse that decision?

Many thanks

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7 minutes ago, Tim Jones said:

DACS payments

When the last contract was issued by mistake (i don't know how) I gave Alamy permission to claim against DACS on my behalf. As they take I assume half in commission I always regretted it.

Does anyone know with this new contract I can reverse that decision?

Many thanks

 

Good point, I have done this too and at the time I was pretty clueless, is there a way you can claim with DACS yourself for your stock sales without going through Alamy?

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8 minutes ago, Tim Jones said:

DACS payments

When the last contract was issued by mistake (i don't know how) I gave Alamy permission to claim against DACS on my behalf. As they take I assume half in commission I always regretted it.

Does anyone know with this new contract I can reverse that decision?

Many thanks

 

Or how leaving Alamy affects that.

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1 minute ago, Nathaniel Noir said:

 

Good point, I have done this too and at the time I was pretty clueless, is there a way you can claim with DACS yourself for your stock sales without going through Alamy?

Yes, you can claim for yourself.

 

I have done every year since I found out about DACS, and you get to keep all the money!

 

John.

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Just re-visiting the "Why should I sell stock with Alamy?" blurb on their main page. I think I might be inclined to take issue with some of these claims: -

 

  1. We’re fair, transparent and easy to work with
    We make it easy for you to work with us, we’re non-exclusive, we don’t tie you in with a long term contract and we let you choose what you want to sell. We also offer a better commission than most other agencies and you can earn up to 50% commission. Click here to view our commission models.
  2. You can send us anything
    Our customers love us and the encyclopaedic nature of our collection – we have a bigger, broader, more unique collection than any other library so we want everything you’ve got.
  3. We’re ethical
    We really care! We aim to create the best environment for buying and selling imagery. As an independent agency, we’re not corporate and we have a friendly and open approach, underpinned by integrity and efficiency.
  4. We’ve paid over $200 million to our contributors
    We have an international network of happy contributors who’ve shared in this $200 million!

Is Alamy "fair"?
Is Alamy ethical - do they really care?

Does Alamy have an international network of happy contributors?

 

Contributors buy expensive top end kit and peripherals, often travelling extensively to take images. They post-process them, check them carefully, select those that will pass QC, upload them for approval, keyword them carefully and upload for sale. We know that this a very time-consuming, labour intensive business for no guaranteed returns and regularly derisory payments.
What does Alamy do? (serious question) Most agents work hard to actively promote their clients and are proactive to generate fair returns for both parties. I may be wrong, but I don't see much evidence of Alamy doing other than acting as a shop window and passively at that and earning a hugely disproportionate share of the sale proceeds .

Something to muse over.

 

 

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On 17/05/2021 at 13:37, meanderingemu said:

 

 

sorry, didn't mean to be abrupt, just going through all the clauses changes, and more cut and pasting.  sorry. 

 

My bad - I've just logged in to apologise for being 'hot headed', and have seen your message. Thats very kind - and again, I'm sorry for just not taking a couple of deep breaths (!)

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1 minute ago, Stokie said:

Yes, you can claim for yourself.

 

 

Not if you didn't opt out during a very short period a few years ago.

If you didn't you have no choice but to let Alamy take 50% (or is it 60% now?) of your claim, permanently.

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19 hours ago, Gabbro said:

 

Why does it matter? None of us will live to see it happen anyway. 🙄

 

Oh ! I hope your life is long and happy ... (sincerely).

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1 minute ago, BidC said:

 

My bad - I've just logged in to apologise for being 'hot headed', and have seen your message. Thats very kind - and again, I'm sorry for just not taking a couple of deep breaths (!)

no problem.  it was a tough day for most of us...  

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1 minute ago, spacecadet said:

Not if you didn't opt out during a very short period a few years ago.

If you didn't you have no choice but to let Alamy take 50% (or is it 60% now?) of your claim, permanently.

 

Yes, I think I misunderstood the OP's post.

 

If Alamy already claim I don't know if you can opt out and make the claim yourself.

 

John.

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1 minute ago, meanderingemu said:

no problem.  it was a tough day for most of us...  

 

Thank you :)

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1 hour ago, Broad Norfolk said:

There are many telling comments in this thread and the one I would like to add is the apparent attitude of Alamy towards it's Contributors. It is very noticeable to me over recent years how the Business nous of it's Contributors has become very underestimated. To put it bluntly, I don't like being treated like an idiot.

 

Sad times,

 

Jim.

 

 

1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said:

I think we’re being treated like Cinderella by the wicked stepmother.

 

 

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Quote from Emily Shelley's blog post

Declaring images as exclusive to Alamy is voluntary and relies on honesty. We’ve had ambitions to actively market exclusive images on our site, but we can never be sure that these images really are unique to us. Since launching our infringements programme, we’re discovering that a significant minority of contributors have not been forthcoming about other arrangements, or forgot to change their settings when they listed elsewhere. Unfortunately, it’s no longer sustainable for us to pay out 50% across the board for images that may or may not be exclusively with us.

 

This is reminiscent of being a school kid and being told the whole class is going to be punished for the sins of a few. I can think of more extreme examples of this approach but for the sake of peace will refrain from mentioning. I wonder has Emily considered the impact of the loss of goodwill with contributors which is one of the things that really sets Alamy apart from other stock agencies and indeed many businesses (contributors - customers - supporters). The tone of this is patronising in my opinion and terribly unfair to those contributors who have acted with honestly and integrity. If this is really the case then punish the perps and not the entire class. But maybe it is just an excuse 🤔.

 

PS: I had intended to make a lot of my images exclusive but never got around to it for one reason or another so the direct effect of this on me is zero right now, but, had I spent the time checking my images and making them exclusive, then I would be pretty mad about it.

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14 minutes ago, Stokie said:

Yes, you can claim for yourself.

 

I have done every year since I found out about DACS, and you get to keep all the money!

 

John.

 

Thank you John. Is there any place where I can find more info about it? Do you get DACS for all images sold or only some? Do you just need to provide a list of images that you have sold on Alamy? (Sorry about all the questions, I don't know very much about the process)

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14 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

Not if you didn't opt out during a very short period a few years ago.

If you didn't you have no choice but to let Alamy take 50% (or is it 60% now?) of your claim, permanently.

 

Are you serious? Can I not just write to them to terminate my permission?

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Just now, Nathaniel Noir said:

 

Are you serious? Can I not just write to them to terminate my permission?

No. It was a new money-making wheeze in the last contract.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nathaniel Noir said:

 

Thank you John. Is there any place where I can find more info about it? Do you get DACS for all images sold or only some? Do you just need to provide a list of images that you have sold on Alamy? (Sorry about all the questions, I don't know very much about the process)

https://www.dacs.org.uk/for-artists/payback

 

You can only claim for work  published in the UK in a book, magazine or on TV

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