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6 minutes ago, NYCat said:

 

I'm so sorry the animals were not cooperating, Edo. Welcome to the world of wildlife photography! As Sally said, cloudy, cooler weather would help and also early in the morning. Unfortunately, most zoos don't open at sunrise. They got us up at 5AM in the Masai Mara and only a quick coffee before we headed out in the vehicles in the dark. Midday is nap time for most animals (and sometimes me).

 

Paulette

 

A few years back, I bought a photographer's pass at St-Augustine alligator farm in Florida. Egrets, herons and wood storks roost in the bushes above the alligators. The pass allowed us to get in half an hour before the public at opening, and stay behind another half hour or hour, can't remember, in the evening. All was well until the day they forgot us in the evening...  It was breeding season for the alligators which were vibrating madly, roaring and sending water jets in the air from their armpits, in turn making the boardwalk shake. Interesting situation.

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2 hours ago, Allan Bell said:

Then the "New contract" was announced and my energy and enthusiasm for photography fell to an all time low.

 

Me too.
But it's not the Alamy change alone. It was a reason to think generally about stock photography, looking for other agencies. (Alamy is not my only stock agency, but the only GENERAL stock.) And all this together was quite disillusioning: Stock is dead. Full stop. (At least for those who want or must really earn money.)

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4 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

I notice that my energy is down, my enthusiasm low, and my mental-focus weak. Should I blame this on Alamy, the pandemic, or my advancing years? All those things and more, I think. 

 

Edo

Since he had his 2nd vaccine OH has felt a lack of energy and muscle aches. Maybe it has affected you the same way?

 

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5 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

I'm here in Chester for a few days. Yesterday I was at the zoo, and a very well-designed zoo it is. Unfortunately, the animals were having one of their camera-shy days. 

 

I notice that my energy is down, my enthusiasm low, and my mental-focus weak. Should I blame this on Alamy, the pandemic, or my advancing years? All those things and more, I think. 

 

Edo

 

A little depression maybe. Do you hanker to be back in NYC?

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5 hours ago, ManfredG said:

Stock is dead. Full stop. (At least for those who want or must really earn money

 

I've been thinking about selling some of my gear, but not much market for it here and shipping out would be a royal pain.   Looked at some of Alamy's Life Style photos -- almost all of them were model released and most of them were from before the sale to PA.  Second thing was I live in a country that's only of interest to the world when it' either blowing itself up or when the tourism promoters are looking for humble, smiling folk dancers or waitstaff.    Only things that make sense are generic still lifes.

 

Alamy should be providing at least as much help on legal matters as Wikimedia, which doesn't pay or receive anything for its stock collection.   And in some way, Wikimedia are the enemy.  Alamy is more and more trying to recruit amateurs to be its photographers.  If that's the way they are going, then they need to give more direction about what flies in what countries, when releases are critical (I knew how to see more data on he photos in the Life Style lightbox; many newbies would not).

 

 

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2 hours ago, Thyrsis said:

Since he had his 2nd vaccine OH has felt a lack of energy and muscle aches. Maybe it has affected you the same way?

 

 

 was his 2nd jab a different vaccine to the 1st?

 

Allan

 

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22 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

 was his 2nd jab a different vaccine to the 1st?

 

Allan

 

 

No, both AZ.

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21 hours ago, Michael Ventura said:

This is all a sad point in our collective stock world.  Whether or not you stay or go, it will never be like it was (as life has a way being like that).  Sad to see the Alamy forum family break up some.  I have enjoyed each and everyone of you.  Lots of great characters and wonderful insight and knowledge spread around.  While I have never met a single one of you, I feel I know some of you so well that we have become old friends.  I am planning to stay but mostly because I see nowhere else that is any better and don't have the time or desire to move my nearly 10,000 images elsewhere.  My portfolio will be pretty much passive and what it earns, it earns.  Not going to put much new energy into it.  For those who are moving on, I do respect your decision and wish you better roads ahead!

 

Michael

You and I see the forum in the same light. I have, over the years, watched personalities develop for me, and know where the kind hearts are. Like you. Sally hasn’t been here long in the grand scheme of things, but I will miss you, SALLY! All of the long-time forum members who are leaving will be greatly missed. They have added so much wisdom through the years, and have been giving of their time sharing that wisdom. Here’s to you all!  👏👏👏👑

I hate what’s happening here. Trust is gone, people are leaving, the future with Alamy is unknown.  People are leaving because of those two things.
Including a feeling of betrayal.

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1 minute ago, Betty LaRue said:

You and I see the forum in the same light. I have, over the years, watched personalities develop for me, and know where the kind hearts are. Like you. Sally hasn’t been here long in the grand scheme of things, but I will miss you, SALLY! All of the long-time forum members who are leaving will be greatly missed. They have added so much wisdom through the years, and have been giving of their time sharing that wisdom. Here’s to you all!  👏👏👏👑

I hate what’s happening here. Trust is gone, people are leaving, the future with Alamy is unknown.  People are leaving because of those two things.
Including a feeling of betrayal.

 

I came late to posting on the forums Betty but really needed your friendship in sending me apple pies to my dungeon when i was in clink. Only thing was you omitted to mention the file in the pie to help me hack my way out. It is lucky I was able to get free dental surgery back then.

 

I am still undecided but if I go I will miss you all too, not just for the useful information freely given, but also the hilarious situations that we got ourselves into on the forums. I am thinking of people we have missed for some time now like Philippe.

 

I will keep thinking but let you all know my decision at the appropriate time.

 

If the worst comes to the worst I have your and some others Email addresses to keep in touch but that will not interact like this forum.

 

Allan

 

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36 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

 was his 2nd jab a different vaccine to the 1st?

 

Allan

 

 

Hmmm! Strange. I wonder if the vaccine had been altered slightly to take account of the covid variant.

 

I had Pfizer for both. The second jab being back in April and had no side effects.

 

Allan

 

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5 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

I came late to posting on the forums Betty but really needed your friendship in sending me apple pies to my dungeon when i was in clink. Only thing was you omitted to mention the file in the pie to help me hack my way out. It is lucky I was able to get free dental surgery back then.

 

I am still undecided but if I go I will miss you all too, not just for the useful information freely given, but also the hilarious situations that we got ourselves into on the forums. I am thinking of people we have missed for some time now like Philippe.

 

I will keep thinking but let you all know my decision at the appropriate time.

 

If the worst comes to the worst I have your and some others Email addresses to keep in touch but that will not interact like this forum.

 

Allan

 

Don’t Go!

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4 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Hmmm! Strange. I wonder if the vaccine had been altered slightly to take account of the covid variant.

 

I had Pfizer for both. The second jab being back in April and had no side effects.

 

Allan

 

Over here, it is pretty common to hear of different reactions. I think some of it is caused by individual immune systems. The stronger your immune system, the more likely the reaction to the jab will have a stronger reaction.

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3 minutes ago, Betty LaRue said:

Don’t Go!

 

As I have just replied to Paulette in another thread.    AW! You have brought a tear to my eye.😭😭😭

 

Allan

 

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I’m still thinking through my decision and must read over the contract again to see if it’s something I can (grudgingly) agree to. However, I must say, I’m very grateful to all the wonderful photographers on this forum, especially during the last year+ when we were all hiding in our homes or wandering out in nature, avoiding in-person contact with others. For the most part, this forum has been a good, supportive place to be and it’s really too bad the new people at Alamy/PA don’t seem to value the freely-offered resources from those of you who give so much to others. My thanks, respect, and best wishes to all, whether you are leaving or staying. 

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36 minutes ago, Betty LaRue said:

 

I hate what’s happening here. Trust is gone, people are leaving, the future with Alamy is unknown.  People are leaving because of those two things.
Including a feeling of betrayal.

 

 

as usual you have hit the mark.  i dislike the new contract, but my biggest problem is that my trust Alamy was a partner is gone.  I always trusted that they had our common interest.  For example if i didn't fill the so-called "optional" info, they would still make sure it wasn't licensed inappropriately, but now they told me "nope, we will then drop the whole problem on you".  

and to make matters worse, the refusal to go through this WITH us feels like a betrayal, they have not clarified one item, not engaged on the forum once, and this is where i am left feeling empty, and slightly unanchored- at a time where many of my other anchoring are also broken.  

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1 hour ago, Thyrsis said:

 

No, both AZ.

 

II know someone who was sick (flu-like symptoms) for three days after getting AZ. She's fine now, though. I had Pfizer -- no ill effects at all.

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40 minutes ago, Cecile Marion said:

I’m still thinking through my decision and must read over the contract again to see if it’s something I can (grudgingly) agree to. However, I must say, I’m very grateful to all the wonderful photographers on this forum, especially during the last year+ when we were all hiding in our homes or wandering out in nature, avoiding in-person contact with others. For the most part, this forum has been a good, supportive place to be and it’s really too bad the new people at Alamy/PA don’t seem to value the freely-offered resources from those of you who give so much to others. My thanks, respect, and best wishes to all, whether you are leaving or staying. 

 

How contributor-friendly are contracts at other stock agencies that you might have looked at?

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I'm sad to see people are leaving. I thought Alamy did engage on the contract changes to a large extent. I've been through the changes in detail and it's almost all just changes in the wording, the intent remains the same. So I don't really understand all the people complaining about what Alamy have done with the new contract. If any contract clauses aren't liked, they were already in the contract that we had previously. Not to say I agree with all the contract clauses, but there don't seem to be any show stoppers.

 

I am quite upset about the commission change, especially coming a year or so after Alamy previously backed down from reducing the commission for people with exclusive content. I understand that it's new owners so previous history is not really relevant to PA. But I still don't see why they can't do something with the exclusive content, rather than almost actively encouraging contributors to go non-exclusive. I'm considering other avenues myself, but don't want to leave. I can however totally understand people leaving because it's less financially viable to be here.

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20 minutes ago, Steve F said:

I'm sad to see people are leaving. I thought Alamy did engage on the contract changes to a large extent. I've been through the changes in detail and it's almost all just changes in the wording, the intent remains the same. So I don't really understand all the people complaining about what Alamy have done with the new contract. If any contract clauses aren't liked, they were already in the contract that we had previously. Not to say I agree with all the contract clauses, but there don't seem to be any show stoppers.

 

I am quite upset about the commission change, especially coming a year or so after Alamy previously backed down from reducing the commission for people with exclusive content. I understand that it's new owners so previous history is not really relevant to PA. But I still don't see why they can't do something with the exclusive content, rather than almost actively encouraging contributors to go non-exclusive. I'm considering other avenues myself, but don't want to leave. I can however totally understand people leaving because it's less financially viable to be here.

Steve

 

I think that Alamy blew the whole "exclusivity" thing by making it totally dependent on an honour system. This was a decent attempt at appeasement, but unfortunately honour systems are easy to abuse. Offering an optional "exclusive" contract or other type of written agreement would have been (or perhaps still would be) a wiser idea IMO. Also, Alamy's definition of "exclusivity" was too willy-nilly.

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

How contributor-friendly are contracts at other stock agencies that you might have looked at?

John, did you mean to direct your question at me? I don’t understand what it has to do with my comments about forum support. Am I missing something?

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21 minutes ago, Cecile Marion said:

John, did you mean to direct your question at me? I don’t understand what it has to do with my comments about forum support. Am I missing something?

 

Just wondering if you have compared Alamy's contract with those of any other agencies (without naming them, of course). I'm admittedly a dunce when it comes to these matters, but some of the ones that I've checked out recently don't look a heck of a lot better to me. For instance, I found an architectural library that I quite like and thought it might work for some of my images. However, they want exclusive images and offer only 40% share, plus their liability clauses don't seem (?) much friendlier to me. I'm not trying to justify Alamy's recent moves, but I wonder how many better/fairer contracts there are out there these days. Consider this a rhetorical question if you like. Hope you decide to stay. Cheers.

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12 minutes ago, John Mitchell said:

 

Just wondering if you have compared Alamy's contract with those of any other agencies (without naming them, of course). I'm admittedly a dunce when it comes to these matters, but some of the ones that I've checked out recently don't look a heck of a lot better to me. For instance, I found an architectural library that I quite like and thought it might work for some of my images. However, they want exclusive images and offer only 40% share, plus their liability clauses don't seem (?) much friendlier to me. I'm not trying to justify Alamy's recent moves, but I wonder how many better/fairer contracts there are out there these days. Consider this a rhetorical question if you like. Hope you decide to stay. Cheers.

 

John, I've looked at the contracts of some of the microstock site where I have video content. In broad terms (and I am NOT a lawyer) they look quite similar to what Alamy are presenting to us. One notable difference though is I can't see that other places have clauses quite like  2.5 (ii) and 4.1.6.

 

2.5. You will not to use the System for the purposes of uploading, posting, making available or in any other way processing Content or any information related to the Content: (i) in breach of any applicable law; (ii) in a way that may or may be deemed to constitute incitement to racial hatred, child pornography, slander, insult, instigation of rebellion, an unlawful description of violence, a violation of any intellectual property law or data protection laws; or (iii) in a way that may be conceived as threatening, insulting, racist, offensive, vulgar and/or indecent

4.1.6. the Content uploaded to the System will not be, or be deemed to be indecent, obscene, defamatory, insulting, racist, offensive, vulgar or violate publicity rights;

 

The issue of 'deemed to be' and who deems it is something which worries me. I've asked Alamy for clarification, though I'm not hopeful.

 

The situation I am looking at at the moment is that if I have problems with Alamy's contract, then I may also have problems with the contract in other agencies. If I am to continue contributing stock imagery at all I need to assure myself that I have taken every possible step to protect myself - and at the moment I have not yet reached that level of assurance. 

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24 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said:

 

John, I've looked at the contracts of some of the microstock site where I have video content. In broad terms (and I am NOT a lawyer) they look quite similar to what Alamy are presenting to us. One notable difference though is I can't see that other places have clauses quite like  2.5 (ii) and 4.1.6.

 

2.5. You will not to use the System for the purposes of uploading, posting, making available or in any other way processing Content or any information related to the Content: (i) in breach of any applicable law; (ii) in a way that may or may be deemed to constitute incitement to racial hatred, child pornography, slander, insult, instigation of rebellion, an unlawful description of violence, a violation of any intellectual property law or data protection laws; or (iii) in a way that may be conceived as threatening, insulting, racist, offensive, vulgar and/or indecent

4.1.6. the Content uploaded to the System will not be, or be deemed to be indecent, obscene, defamatory, insulting, racist, offensive, vulgar or violate publicity rights;

 

The issue of 'deemed to be' and who deems it is something which worries me. I've asked Alamy for clarification, though I'm not hopeful.

 

The situation I am looking at at the moment is that if I have problems with Alamy's contract, then I may also have problems with the contract in other agencies. If I am to continue contributing stock imagery at all I need to assure myself that I have taken every possible step to protect myself - and at the moment I have not yet reached that level of assurance. 

 

I think the fact that Alamy do not QC for content means that they have to place the onus on the contributor to ensure that content (including captions and tags) is appropriate. There is certainly a lot of room for interpretation. My intended approach is to avoid as far as possible uploading anything that is likely to contravene anything even if that becomes really limiting - again the returns are not worth the worry. Staying objective in captions should avoid most of the above-mentioned. Publicity rights, intellectual property or data protection laws are probably the grey areas, especially in other countries where laws differ from English law. 

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