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1 hour ago, Cal said:

 

 

 

In regards to selections, I had a quick look at the live news feed today and had to do virtually no scrolling to find a picture of a cat being petted and birds going about their business. That isn't news and is an obvious abuse of the platform, possibly to shoehorn in bad quality photos. There doesn't appear to be a great lot of moderation going on at the LN platform.

 

 

just wait until that Cat gets reported as a sale in two days 😉.  this was my experience a few months ago complaining about some content, and image did actually sell so i've stopped questioning- but i agree.  What i find worse, is that most of these are coming from agencies.....  the one that got me in the feed was the Grey Heron: 22 images, none with any "story" (i've done a couple birds that were weather-seasonal based) and most extremely marginal-  By contrast the 2 house sparrows image fighting at feeders are clean, have a story and "newsable" in that niche 

 

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On 06/12/2020 at 15:34, Joseph Clemson said:

I did see somewhere that Alamy were thinking about opening up video contributions again. This is something I personally very much like to see and, following the decimation of contributor commission at a major microstock site,  there is some considerable appetite among stock video makers for a new outlet for editorial video - one wthat pays a reasonable rate of commission, that is.


Video is a really complicated issue, there is only really one site doing it well, the investment required by Alamy to do video based on their dominance of editorial stock photography is probably not worth it to them and us to diversify.

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35 minutes ago, meanderingemu said:

By contrast the 2 house sparrows image fighting at feeders are clear, have a story and "newsable" in that niche 

I think these images were captured by one of the photographers whose work inspired me to go and study photography as a mature student in the 90's. The Independent newspaper was essential reading back then.

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11 hours ago, Cal said:

 

You're being downvoted but on this occasion I actually agree with you. I submitted 8 LN photos yesterday in a heck of a rush from an uncalibrated laptop screen. One of them was really underexposed - I must have just misjudged it on screen - and got through to LN sitting there for 24 hours. I'm embarrassed I let that slip through but also a bit miffed live news QC (if such a thing exists) didn't pick up on it, either pulling that photo or failing the whole submission.

 

In regards to selections, I had a quick look at the live news feed today and had to do virtually no scrolling to find a picture of a cat being petted and birds going about their business. That isn't news and is an obvious abuse of the platform, possibly to shoehorn in bad quality photos. There doesn't appear to be a great lot of moderation going on at the LN platform.

There isn't QC on live news, that's the point- there isn't time, the posting is automatic. If you have privileges you're trusted not to submit substandard material. You say it was there for 24 hours so presumably it was eventually caught- news images are live for at least 48. Obvious non-news subs are sometimes weeded out after submission - indeed, as I can't see any cats on the feed now, this may have happened to the images you complain of.

The Canada geese are on a foggy lake- the fog is the news- and waxwings only appear in very cold weather- ditto. A little weak, I agree, but plenty of weather images make the papers.

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2 hours ago, spacecadet said:

There isn't QC on live news, that's the point- there isn't time, the posting is automatic. If you have privileges you're trusted not to submit substandard material. You say it was there for 24 hours so presumably it was eventually caught- news images are live for at least 48. Obvious non-news subs are sometimes weeded out after submission - indeed, as I can't see any cats on the feed now, this may have happened to the images you complain of.

The Canada geese are on a foggy lake- the fog is the news- and waxwings only appear in very cold weather- ditto. A little weak, I agree, but plenty of weather images make the papers.

 

 

it amaze me the number of requests asking Alamy to add more controls on their side to remove responsibility from the contributors,  These all have a cost, and since i am not convinced the benefits in the end will be higher revenue- is there more sales because the one bad submission was removed?- the place to pay for it is higher commission taken away,  and second on the stock side, the Initial approval, Algorithm and QC was supposed to handle this more cost efficiently.   If something is broken, this to me is where the solutions need to come from.

 

 

and as for the animals, beyond the weather there still is an important segment of the imagery on News that draws from the "image of the world" and "animals" segment.  Looking at Alamy News' on twitter feed, it is actually currently heavily loaded with such image which certain contributor want to ban. I'll take Alamy's word about their worthiness 

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14 hours ago, Normspics said:


Video is a really complicated issue, there is only really one site doing it well, the investment required by Alamy to do video based on their dominance of editorial stock photography is probably not worth it to them and us to diversify.

 

It is of course for Alamy to judge. The rise of the internet has seen use of the moving image blossom and print decline in recent years, so I would have thought it might repesent a good move. They already have the basis of a video stock system, though I agree that to ramp up their systems to do with video what they already do with still imagery is a very big ask. The old owners of Alamy declined to go further down the video route and invested their capital in other ways. Now that the piper calling the tune is the PA, maybe things will be different?

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4 hours ago, spacecadet said:

There isn't QC on live news, that's the point- there isn't time, the posting is automatic. If you have privileges you're trusted not to submit substandard material. You say it was there for 24 hours so presumably it was eventually caught- news images are live for at least 48. Obvious non-news subs are sometimes weeded out after submission - indeed, as I can't see any cats on the feed now, this may have happened to the images you complain of.

The Canada geese are on a foggy lake- the fog is the news- and waxwings only appear in very cold weather- ditto. A little weak, I agree, but plenty of weather images make the papers.

 

I've mixed up the stipulation that news must be within 24 hrs (if exceptional, otherwise 1 hr) with the fact they remain for 48 hours - indeed my 8 are still there. They are fine except for one portrait which I obviously edited in a rush and didn't check the histo properly... something I fully accept and won't be going on sale once it hits stock.

 

I assumed there was QC on news submissions as when submitted through AIM you get a similar message to a normal stock submission along wording of "your submission will be ready soon". 

 

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1 hour ago, meanderingemu said:

 

 

and as for the animals, beyond the weather there still is an important segment of the imagery on News that draws from the "image of the world" and "animals" segment.  Looking at Alamy News' on twitter feed, it is actually currently heavily loaded with such image which certain contributor want to ban. I'll take Alamy's word about their worthiness 

 

It's not so much that I want to ban it (assuming you are referring at least in part to me here) it's that I've read the live news guidelines and some of what I see on the feed doesn't to me fit in with the brief alamy gives on the guidelines. I can understand the weather related animals but I wasn't referring to that. Indeed, I have the alamy live news policies PDF in front of me and there are several key points which I ask myself whenever posting images.

 

Your pictures must be newsworthy or be a picture of the day that is striking enough to cause a reaction.

 

Your pictures must be of the moment. There should be something in your image which means it could only be taken at that time.

e.g. a political billboard that could be taken any time (morning, afternoon, yesterday, tomorrow) is not a news image. It is a stock image to go with a news story. A political billboard being installed, or people protesting or reacting to the billboard, is a news picture.

 

I have even been careful with the protest images I submit many of which goes as stock if I feel they don't fit into the live news brief. Perhaps I'm taking the rules too literally.

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11 minutes ago, Joseph Clemson said:

 

It is of course for Alamy to judge. The rise of the internet has seen use of the moving image blossom and print decline in recent years, so I would have thought it might repesent a good move. They already have the basis of a video stock system, though I agree that to ramp up their systems to do with video what they already do with still imagery is a very big ask. The old owners of Alamy declined to go further down the video route and invested their capital in other ways. Now that the piper calling the tune is the PA, maybe things will be different?


I have 1100 videos on Alamy and would welcome another push from Alamy into the video market.

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I agree with some of the comments regarding refunds. But first, YES on low resolution 6mp files for both PU and Presentation unless size tiers for more money. Then considering those more or less private uses, there should be no refunds. These are images that we cannot check for unreported usages. So it should have a small notice on the sale page: PU and Presentation, non-refundable. After all, many things we buy on sale in stores say all sales final. I have bought things personally that I’ve had to eat because they didn’t work out. These aren’t buyers using the images for months-ahead mock-ups, like calendars, books and magazines.
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On 08/12/2020 at 20:11, Betty LaRue said:

I agree with some of the comments regarding refunds. But first, YES on low resolution 6mp files for both PU and Presentation unless size tiers for more money. Then considering those more or less private uses, there should be no refunds. These are images that we cannot check for unreported usages. So it should have a small notice on the sale page: PU and Presentation, non-refundable. After all, many things we buy on sale in stores say all sales final. I have bought things personally that I’ve had to eat because they didn’t work out. These aren’t buyers using the images for months-ahead mock-ups, like calendars, books and magazines.
Betty

UK: Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015

You might be entitled to a replacement, repair or part-refund if something’s gone wrong with software, a download or an application you bought on or after 1 October 2015.

You have legal rights if there’s a fault with digital products (or ‘digital content’) such as:

  • games
  • ringtones
  • e-books and online journals
  • in-game purchases on free mobile apps
  • film, music and TV streams or downloads
  • software you’ve downloaded

The fault could be that it’s not compatible with your device (eg phone, tablet or laptop), even though it said it would be.

 

Now, if the client finds a fault with the image they would be perfectly entitled to a refund. However they would have to convince Alamy that there is indeed a fault with the image and if Alamy cannot find it, NO REFUND.

I personally would offer a 15 day refund policy as a goodwill gesture.

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I would like to see a select number of Video contributors who have a good pro knowledge of video and a good (say 500 videos) able to upload them to the current video site after editorial approval. PA have the software for their own video . Just re jig it to Alamy. I was one of the first people to upload video to Alamy but took 150 files  down after it was established that only RF and not RM  was going to be sold .  I now have some RF  video which I would like to be onair with Alamy. 

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Question to ranking/display algorithm:

- why does Alamy alway return nearly the same search results for a given phrase ? If I looked 2 month ago or now, results look pretty much the same. Means a buyer alway just sees the same pages. Other agencies reshuffel the results to give better chances to new contibutors/new pics, and more variety for the customer.

- Whats the impact of Brexit for contributors in the European community ?

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Maybe it too late but here my list of things I would like to see included:

 

1) Catalogue performance in 2020, including returns per image rates (am interested if a correlation between ever increasing catalogue size and sales is as a projection)

2) Was there a one off impact of covid on sales

3) Future direction and new initiatives - what is long term vision.

4) What did well and what did not (from a contributors perspective).

5) What editorial markets (countries) did best and worst (I say this in respect that the majority of the catalogue is UK centric but I assume the majority of its contributors are not)

 

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I know the subject of duplicated images came up recently with regard to PA, but I would like to know about all the other agencies that are duplicating images. I often come across images that have been duplicated, more often than not by big agencies, not good if a search is done and maybe only two pages of images come up but 25% of them are duplicated.  Also just a week or so ago I came across a contributor that had posted over 1500  images on two different pseudonyms. Does Alamy want these pointed out to them like the PA ones were? Or are they to be ignored?

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Quoting myself from another thread:

 

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Nearly five months after the usage in a mainstream media, and probably a couple more months before payment, Alamy have asked me to re-send the link to the usages. I hope people can try to understand the frustration of contributors that have to take on the job of finding and keeping records of image uses that would otherwise go unrecorded and therefore stolen, and then having to hand over 50% or more. 

This HAS to be addressed.

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On 16/12/2020 at 16:23, george said:

I know the subject of duplicated images came up recently with regard to PA, but I would like to know about all the other agencies that are duplicating images. I often come across images that have been duplicated, more often than not by big agencies, not good if a search is done and maybe only two pages of images come up but 25% of them are duplicated.  Also just a week or so ago I came across a contributor that had posted over 1500  images on two different pseudonyms. Does Alamy want these pointed out to them like the PA ones were? Or are they to be ignored?

There is something seriously amiss when so much is being lost to unreported sales...And for someone who lives in a location where it is extremely difficult to search for usages I am sure that I've lost potential earnings that I'll never know about

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What is the point of having the choice of Creative and Relevant boxes on the SEARCH Page.?  How many people actually know what the difference in the search results will be ?  Surely a much better box is "Popular"  which helps searches for what are most likely the most saleable images

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Just now, PAL Media said:

In AIM I would like to see some filters which are actually any use to me, ie

Images with zooms filter

Images that have sold filter

Number of times sold/zoomed

Great idea! 

Phil

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2 hours ago, PAL Media said:

Why is the database update every 24 hours? I would like to see a 6 hourly, hourly? updates, other agencies seem to do this, why doesn't Alamy.

 

Possibly antiquated technology making it almost impossible for contributors to upload images en masse while system is updating.🤪

 

Allan

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3 hours ago, PAL Media said:

Why is the database update every 24 hours? I would like to see a 6 hourly, hourly? updates, other agencies seem to do this, why doesn't Alamy.

I'd be happy with reliably updated every 24 hours as an initial target. Any more frequently would be a bonus

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10 minutes ago, Avpics said:

I'd be happy with reliably updated every 24 hours as an initial target. Any more frequently would be a bonus

RELIABLY is the magic word !!!

During the last 4-5 weeks all of us, the contributors, experienced some major major issues of any kind here.

In the end, I'd prefer to be somehow more encouraged ...

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