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I had a conversation with a fellow allotment gardener this evening. Despite having had two jabs, his 76 year old brother had come down with Covid and was seriously ill. It looks like he will survive, but he has required emergency hospital treatment, including being placed in an induced coma. There is a possibility that he may have suffered brain damage due to oxygen starvation. I guess that the positive to take out of this is that he would probably  not have recovered had he not had the vaccine, but it's a wake up call for those of us that thought we were out of trouble. I'll be continuing to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces, and will try to avoid crowds. 

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22 minutes ago, Bryan said:

I had a conversation with a fellow allotment gardener this evening. Despite having had two jabs, his 76 year old brother had come down with Covid and was seriously ill. It looks like he will survive, but he has required emergency hospital treatment, including being placed in an induced coma. There is a possibility that he may have suffered brain damage due to oxygen starvation. I guess that the positive to take out of this is that he would probably  not have recovered had he not had the vaccine, but it's a wake up call for those of us that thought we were out of trouble. I'll be continuing to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces, and will try to avoid crowds. 

Bryan, I just read a report in our newspaper today that in those people up in years, the antibodies from the vaccine fall sharply in a matter of a couple of months. It seems the older one is, the fewer antibodies that stick around. They were testing people in nursing homes with the average age of 76. That means some younger, some older. It was suggested protection sharply falls off for those over 50 yrs.

It’s like the flu shots over here. The elderly get a “senior” megadose because they don’t make antibodies as well as the younger do. Not sure if there is a similar answer for the Covid vaccine.

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4 hours ago, Bryan said:

I'll be continuing to wear a mask in enclosed public spaces, and will try to avoid crowds. 

So will I, but I do have to keep reminding myself that the mask is unlikely to help me, it's there to protect others. Went in a charity shop yesterday, pretty small though the door was open. surprised that the volunteer at the till wasn't bothering to wear a mask, possibly putting too much faith in the vaccine. On the other hand I can see that wearing a mask all day long in a shop is a different thing to just popping one on every now and again. But then I'm contradicting myself here already, the mask wasn't going to help him I suppose. False sense of security on my part.

 

Any tennis fans out there? Djokovic felt drawn towards his fans as he left the court after his victory over Berretini at the US Open, though initially he indicated that he couldn't get close. They were hysterically screaming in his face at close quarters, no masks, Djokovic famously unvaccinated as far as I know. How does that work?

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29 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

So will I, but I do have to keep reminding myself that the mask is unlikely to help me, it's there to protect others. Went in a charity shop yesterday, pretty small though the door was open. surprised that the volunteer at the till wasn't bothering to wear a mask, possibly putting too much faith in the vaccine. On the other hand I can see that wearing a mask all day long in a shop is a different thing to just popping one on every now and again. But then I'm contradicting myself here already, the mask wasn't going to help him I suppose. False sense of security on my part.

 

Any tennis fans out there? Djokovic felt drawn towards his fans as he left the court after his victory over Berretini at the US Open, though initially he indicated that he couldn't get close. They were hysterically screaming in his face at close quarters, no masks, Djokovic famously unvaccinated as far as I know. How does that work?

 

The message that the mask is primarily to protect others has been totally forgotten in the scramble to create the illusion that all is back to normal thanks to the vaccine programme. Seeing all those unmasked Tory MPs crammed in together in Parliament says it all.

 

Not only has it been more or less forgotten that masking indoors is simply responsible behaviour towards our fellow humans but most people seem to be oblivious to the fact that vaccinated people can be Covid-positive and transmitting virus while asymptomatic themselves, not to mention the fact that vaccinated people can also become seriously ill with Covid. Meanwhile watch the case rates rise as schools return with no restrictions.

 

 

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Well I was looking forward to attending The Great Balloon Race at the Shuttleworth Estate this weekend.  However it transpires that I and thousands of other people across the country have fallen victim to a massive fraud/scam.  This was a 3 day event Friday/Saturday/Sunday at well known venues in the UK.  I had booked VIP tickets for 6 at a cost of £252, the event was supposed to be held in June.  This then got postponed apparently due to the high rate of Covid in Bedfordshire.  Whilst I thought it was slightly strange at the time, it did not occur to me in was a scam.  The event was outside and tables limited to 6.  Anyway the offer was of a refund or postponement to 12th September.  I took the postponement hoping for the best with the weather.  Apparently only a handful of folk managed to actually get refunds, others have still been waiting since June.  The event was also supposed to take place at other well known venues.

 

However, it transpires the whole thing has been a scam and affected thousands of people.  I actually phoned Shuttleworth the other day who told me it was a huge scam and the chap running the event wasn't issuing refunds and it was impossible to contact him and I should aim to reclaim the money through my bank.  Then spent another few hours trying to sort things out and managed to get a refund.  However, very disappointed as the tickets were a birthday treat for some neighbours.  Words also fail me to describe the lowlife that organised this and disappointed so many people after such a rubbish year or more.

 

On the mask side, I'm still wearing them when out shopping in small spaces.  

 

Onwards & Upwards......

 

Carol

 

 

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The yearly PhotoPlus Expo in NYC has been cancelled. I had been putting off signing up because I still feel cautious in spite of being vaccinated. Very discouraged these days because a few months ago things were looking up here.

 

Paulette

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The Photography Show in the UK is going ahead though, hard to credit how jostling 3 deep to try out the latest cameras is going to help matters, perhaps things will be more controlled this year.

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1 hour ago, Harry Harrison said:

The Photography Show in the UK is going ahead though, hard to credit how jostling 3 deep to try out the latest cameras is going to help matters, perhaps things will be more controlled this year.

 

Basically the message from the top here in England is just get on with it. This is the herd immunity thing they were aiming for at the beginning but very few other countries are taking this laissez-faire attitude. However, they are still requiring people to quarantine from so-called red list countries, many of which have lower case rates than here, and mandatory testing is still required from orange-list countries. That makes no sense except perhaps to those who have invested money in testing companies and quarantine hotels. 

 

I photographed a wedding last week and none of the guests were wearing masks - it was totally back to normal by almost all appearances. The guy who was second-shooting with me and I both wore masks indoors to start but it is very difficult to take pictures with a mask on so we took them off. I appear to have escaped this time as I have done a few lateral flow tests and am negative but it is concerning. I am doubly vaccinated and, apart from photographing weddings, I am otherwise being exceptionally careful. However, my wife is a teacher, also  trying to be exceptionally careful while most of the other staff are unmasked and just getting on with it as are moat of the kids.  I expect I will end up with another dose of Covid at some point - I am just hoping my immune system will handle it. 

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We are being told here now that people who have had Covid have more protection from it than people who are vaccinated. That seems to make it more complicated as people are being required to be vaccinated in order to work for big companies.

 

Paulette

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24 minutes ago, NYCat said:

We are being told here now that people who have had Covid have more protection from it than people who are vaccinated. That seems to make it more complicated as people are being required to be vaccinated in order to work for big companies.

 

Paulette

 

The big question is how long that protection lasts. The immune system is very complex. What does more protection even mean anyway - less risk of very severe illness (hospitalisation or death), less likely to develop any symptoms, less likely to experience long term effects the second time and so on?

 

I think the danger is in just pretending everything is back to normal. There is no doubt that vaccination greatly reduces the risk of severe illness but it does not mean that the pandemic is over.  In my opinion, the message from the top should be proceed with caution and continue to wear masks in enclosed spaces to protect others as well as oneself (needs higher quality masks than the standard surgical masks) even if vaccinated. 

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1 hour ago, Harry Harrison said:

The Photography Show in the UK is going ahead though, hard to credit how jostling 3 deep to try out the latest cameras is going to help matters, perhaps things will be more controlled this year.


I will be passing on the Photography Show Meetup this year, and until normality truly returns, if ever. If I see an unmasked person in a supermarket I treat them as if they had the worst possible plague. I will likely be photographing a largish protest in London, and in a way that I am in control. No risky trains or tube, will drive in. Hopefully the street parking will unaltered from 2015 when Google street map there was videoed showing parking restriction signs on lamp posts. If problems I’ll have to do some extra walking. Will be only the 4th trip into London since Covid became a serious risk.

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58 minutes ago, NYCat said:

We are being told here now that people who have had Covid have more protection from it than people who are vaccinated. That seems to make it more complicated as people are being required to be vaccinated in order to work for big companies.

 

Paulette

I think you're being told wrong and that the antibody count from vaccination is much higher than that from contracting the disease. The protection is also much shorter lived.

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1 hour ago, MDM said:

a wedding last week and none of the guests were wearing masks

Everybody in masks- that's something you want for decades to come in your wedding album!

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8 minutes ago, spacecadet said:
1 hour ago, NYCat said:

 

I think you're being told wrong and that he antibody count from vaccination is much higher than that from the disease.

I think this information comes from Israel, but they are reluctant to be seen as recommending that people should opt instead to try and catch the virus, for obvious reasons.

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

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31 minutes ago, sb photos said:

I will be passing on the Photography Show Meetup this year, and until normality truly returns, if ever

I'll give the show a miss this year but I don't mean to put a dampener on it, I imagine it's still possible to feel safe in those large airy halls but I expect it will be a little different to normal, in the past it's been a real scrum around Nikon, Canon etc. I hope it is a success for them, it's a good show.

 

Really I don't have enough of a reason to go, might be different if I had, if they hold the 'Society of Photographers' Trade Show in London in January I might go to that I suppose.

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13 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

I think this information comes from Israel, but they are reluctant to be seen as recommending that people should opt instead to try and catch the virus, for obvious reasons.

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

Of course that greater immunity does require you to be alive to benefit from it.

There are a lot of problems with that data- sample size, testing self-selection among them. I'd prefer just not to get it. Failing that I'd prefer to be vaccinated.

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I just ran into a client who told me she and her partner have just gotten their booster. Hmmmm. They had their two shots about the same as i did... the second one mid_Feb.

 

Paulette

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26 minutes ago, NYCat said:

I just ran into a client who told me she and her partner have just gotten their booster. Hmmmm. They had their two shots about the same as i did... the second one mid_Feb.

 

Paulette

 

Not sure about your clients but I know people are lying to get their booster early....they just say that they are immune compromised and the facility can't ask for any details.  I will wait my turn but I know 4 people who have done this.   So we have anti-vaxxers and people who can't wait! 

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Boosters are still merely being considered here, for over-50s. There's no consensus that they're universally useful or necessary, AFAICS neither vaccine's effectiveness has dropped by as much as 10 percentage points yet. So they will only be given to those proven to benefit.

You certainly can't get one just for the asking.

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5 minutes ago, Michael Ventura said:

 

Not sure about your clients but I know people are lying to get their booster early....they just say that they are immune compromised and the facility can't ask for any details.  I will wait my turn but I know 4 people who have done this.   So we have anti-vaxxers and people who can't wait! 

 

Apparently my clients were not asked any questions. I think I will wait. i am 80 years old (yikes!) but very healthy. As it happened, I had a complete physical right before the lockdown here and my doctor told me he expected I would survive if I got the virus. Not that I want to get it even if I do survive. I did get a high-dose flu shot last week.

 

Paulette

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6 minutes ago, NYCat said:

 

Apparently my clients were not asked any questions. I think I will wait. i am 80 years old (yikes!) but very healthy. As it happened, I had a complete physical right before the lockdown here and my doctor told me he expected I would survive if I got the virus. Not that I want to get it even if I do survive. I did get a high-dose flu shot last week.

 

Paulette

 

My ex-wife works at the FDA in the area of Pharmaceutical Compliance and so she knows all the ins and outs of the vaccine biz.  She was one of those who got her booster early and told me that I should do the same but I will wait for when it is my time.  I figure, if I wait (December is when I would be due) I would have protection longer. Congrats on your good health!!

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2 hours ago, spacecadet said:

Everybody in masks- that's something you want for decades to come in your wedding album!

 

I shot a wedding ceremony in your home town back in June where the socially distanced guests were wearing masks in the ceremony but we did some outdoor pics afterwards without masks. However, they put the reception off until next year. 

 

In any case, I wasn't suggesting mask-wearing for the entire wedding but was surprised to see nobody wearing a mask. Some middle ground would be better if difficult to achieve. Fewer people in ceremonies with some distancing would be more sensible and some control at receptions, but that is impossible once numbers are unrestricted and dancing is allowed.  I am just hoping for the best now but expecting another close encounter with the dreaded virus at some point. How nasty that will be is the question.

 

 

 

 


 

 

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