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2 hours ago, Sally R said:

 

However, I've decided to wait for a bit to think it through more, rather than rushing into deciding. It will probably be better to do so too when I have a bit more money. I do really love the idea of this little camera and can see myself getting one sometime in the next 6 months.

 

Personally I think that's a wise move. In the past I sometimes regretted impulsive purchases.

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I have the RX100-3 and it’s only 70mm at the long end. I use it like you say you want to. I use my Fuji XT-2 with a variety of lenses from very wide to 400 mm. 
But the Sony in my purse or pocket is the one I’ve taken run-across shots of construction zones, new house builds, inside Walmart and a grocery, and a shoe store. I had it on a Caribbean trip and got beautiful beach pictures with it. When going into the island shops, I didn’t want to carry anything heavier than the Sony, (shopping is exhausting enough) and I had fun taking pictures with it. If it were the only camera I ever shot with, then I’d go Edo’s way. But it’s not. It’s my secondary camera.
Edo said he thought my model was slow-focusing sometimes.  I haven’t found that with my copy, at least not so I’ve noticed, so all is good.
I will say that there has been a handful or two times that I wished for more reach with it, but not often enough to get one of the longer zooms. I prefer the fastness over the reach for those indoor shots. As it is, I have to use creative noise reduction unless by a bright window.  Fastness or reach is an individual choice.

It basically comes down to buying the tool you actually need for the job.
Betty

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1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said:

I have the RX100-3 and it’s only 70mm at the long end. I use it like you say you want to. I use my Fuji XT-2 with a variety of lenses from very wide to 400 mm. 
But the Sony in my purse or pocket is the one I’ve taken run-across shots of construction zones, new house builds, inside Walmart and a grocery, and a shoe store. I had it on a Caribbean trip and got beautiful beach pictures with it. When going into the island shops, I didn’t want to carry anything heavier than the Sony, (shopping is exhausting enough) and I had fun taking pictures with it. If it were the only camera I ever shot with, then I’d go Edo’s way. But it’s not. It’s my secondary camera.
Edo said he thought my model was slow-focusing sometimes.  I haven’t found that with my copy, at least not so I’ve noticed, so all is good.
I will say that there has been a handful or two times that I wished for more reach with it, but not often enough to get one of the longer zooms. I prefer the fastness over the reach for those indoor shots. As it is, I have to use creative noise reduction unless by a bright window.  Fastness or reach is an individual choice.

It basically comes down to buying the tool you actually need for the job.
Betty

 

Many thanks Betty. That's very helpful. It would be my secondary camera as well, so in that regard it doesn't have to be able to do everything. It does seem like a fun camera too. We have some good cycle paths around the river and along the ocean here, and I love the idea of having something small and easy like this that's easy to carry should I see something interesting. I already have lenses specialised for different things with my DSLR, but feel the Sony would be an ultra-portable addition that would fill the gap of doing photography when a DSLR is not convenient. I imagine it will do well outdoors, but that as you point out, noise can be a problem in less bright surroundings so I will need to deal with that in post-processing. I will keep thinking about the fastness vs reach issue, and which choice will suit best what I'd like to do with the camera.

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Betty, I recall you saying that you mostly had your RX100-3 set on Full Auto. I use Full Auto a lot now, but did not with the 100-3. Maybe you've seen the other post where I'm bitching about a difference in speed and accuracy between the A setting and Full Auto? As I told Wim, this could a figment of my imagination. I agree that the less expensive 100-3 might be a good answer for Sally, since it will function as a second (pocket) camera. 

 

I also have a Sony 24MP a6000 with the 10-18, 28-70, and a 50 prime. 

 

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On 29/06/2020 at 03:24, Ed Rooney said:

Betty, I recall you saying that you mostly had your RX100-3 set on Full Auto. I use Full Auto a lot now, but did not with the 100-3. Maybe you've seen the other post where I'm bitching about a difference in speed and accuracy between the A setting and Full Auto? As I told Wim, this could a figment of my imagination. I agree that the less expensive 100-3 might be a good answer for Sally, since it will function as a second (pocket) camera. 

 

I also have a Sony 24MP a6000 with the 10-18, 28-70, and a 50 prime. 

 

Edo

Your memory is perfecto, Edo. I do use it on auto exclusively. That probably is the difference. So far the temptation to upgrade has been pretty minuscule. The first, original plain 100 had a reach of 100mm. I preferred that, but the finder, which I felt more important prodded me to upgrade. 
The nice thing is the original took great pics, too, but I’ve never liked using the LCD, just like you. If they’d make one like the original reach but with the finder, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, the first RX100 went to 100mm. But the wide end was 28mm, not 24mm. I've never liked the 28mm look. In the film era, I always use primes, and I see a big personality difference between 24 and 28.

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2 hours ago, Ed Rooney said:

Yeah, the first RX100 went to 100mm. But the wide end was 28mm, not 24mm. I've never liked the 28mm look. In the film era, I always use primes, and I see a big personality difference between 24 and 28.

True. I seldom used the wide end of that lens, but did sometimes. Seems like I was making use of the zoom mostly between 50-100.

My Fuji 18-135, I have used 18 a lot. I’ve used that lens extensively for store fronts, and love to get a wide and a closeup without moving my feet. As we age, we have to conserve energy when we can. At least, I do. In large outdoor malls, I do a lot of walking from one end to the other, but would prefer not to be walking to and fro also. Especially in bitter cold and heat from hell.

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I'm still using the RX100 for day to day in your pocket type stuff and am consistently pleased with results. The new Sony RX range is a lot more expensive than the original. Is the bang worth the buck?

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On 27/06/2020 at 10:09, Sally R said:

 

Thanks Michael, yes that is a helpful article. I think stills will be mainly my thing, so the VA seems the best option for me.

Thanks Sally. That article and link were very useful! You have helped me answer my own question! The benefits of the newer model don't seem worth the x 2 ++ increase in cost.

https://photographylife.com/sony-rx100-series-comparison

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6 hours ago, Jansos said:

Thanks Sally. That article and link were very useful! You have helped me answer my own question! The benefits of the newer model don't seem worth the x 2 ++ increase in cost.

https://photographylife.com/sony-rx100-series-comparison

 

No worries Jansos. I'm glad the article Michael sent is helpful, along with me weighing up the pros and cons 🤔. I'm leaning towards one of the older models at the moment now. I'll also wait to see when they are on sale again. It's great to hear that you are pleased with the results of the RX100 as a day to day pocket camera 🙂

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On 03/07/2020 at 02:17, Jansos said:

I'm still using the RX100 for day to day in your pocket type stuff and am consistently pleased with results. The new Sony RX range is a lot more expensive than the original. Is the bang worth the buck?

I was pleased with the results, also. The only thing that led me to the 3 was the pop up finder, which I prefer. But I had to give up some reach. If you are comfortable using the LCD to frame, you’re golden.

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On 27/06/2020 at 06:20, Sally R said:

I am currently feeling an overwhelming compulsion towards purchasing a Sony RX100. I have read some of the threads on here with interest. I am tossing up between the latest model VII, or the earlier VA.

 

I am leaning towards the VA for a number of reasons:

1) Cheaper price - can afford to buy sooner

2) Brighter, faster lens because of reduced focal range (24-70mm vs 24-200mm)

3) I am guessing slightly better/nicer backgrounds when using a shallow depth of field

4) Integrated ND filter

 

I'm interested whether anyone who has used both has found one better than the other? The main advantage of the later model seems to be the extra reach, but I think I like the idea of the faster lens more.

 

I'm certainly not wanting to replace my DSLR, but just love the idea of a high quality compact that I can have with me pretty much all the time and it just fits in a pocket. There are times when I want to head out on a walk or a bike ride but not carry my DSLR gear, and love the idea of the little Sony. I also like the idea of being in urban environments, for example maybe commuting through the city, and just being able to spontaneously capture something I come across.

 

I'm also noticing about a $200 difference between the VA model and the earlier V model. I understand the VA has a different processor, but not sure how much real world difference this would make? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've got the Mk3, I found the deal with the Sony Case & grip from a supplier, was well worth buying. I do use mine on my bike and carry it around my neck with the case, rather than in a possible dusty pocket, you do need the wrist strap, but I find the grip helps when grabbing one handed and doesn't make it as slippy in general, if I bought another I'd buy a grip and case for sure

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Others would testify to the benefits of the more expensive version, but as a point and shoot that you can grab extra photos, when not out taking "real photographs", it does the job and of course the sensor is great as it passes Alamy's criteria at a very reasonable price, so I won't be upgrading unless I have to. In the UK the price gap is ridiculous compared to the U.S.

Mk 3 £479 with case & grip

Va £799 camera only

Mk 6 £979 camera only

Mk 7 £1,179 camera only

At that price, I'd want something that was more like a mini SLR with interchangeable lenses & viewfinder.

 

The other thing is of course, unlike with a big camera, you never get the "have you got permission,," or other strange comments.

 

I tend to use mine on manual, but that's how I shoot on my main camera, I find it hard to use Auto on a camera..

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18 hours ago, ChrisC said:

I've got the Mk3, I found the deal with the Sony Case & grip from a supplier, was well worth buying. I do use mine on my bike and carry it around my neck with the case, rather than in a possible dusty pocket, you do need the wrist strap, but I find the grip helps when grabbing one handed and doesn't make it as slippy in general, if I bought another I'd buy a grip and case for sure

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Others would testify to the benefits of the more expensive version, but as a point and shoot that you can grab extra photos, when not out taking "real photographs", it does the job and of course the sensor is great as it passes Alamy's criteria at a very reasonable price, so I won't be upgrading unless I have to. In the UK the price gap is ridiculous compared to the U.S.

Mk 3 £479 with case & grip

Va £799 camera only

Mk 6 £979 camera only

Mk 7 £1,179 camera only

At that price, I'd want something that was more like a mini SLR with interchangeable lenses & viewfinder.

 

The other thing is of course, unlike with a big camera, you never get the "have you got permission,," or other strange comments.

 

I tend to use mine on manual, but that's how I shoot on my main camera, I find it hard to use Auto on a camera..

 

Thanks Chris, I appreciate the info. Yes I do like the idea of an inconspicuous camera that is less likely to worry people in the way that DSLRs sometimes can. I'm quite sure I will be getting this camera at some point, and keeping my eye out for sales that might come up. And yes, an earlier version of it may do the job at a more friendly price 🙂 Cheers, Sally

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On 22/07/2020 at 21:39, ChrisC said:

I've got the Mk3, I found the deal with the Sony Case & grip from a supplier, was well worth buying. I do use mine on my bike and carry it around my neck with the case, rather than in a possible dusty pocket, you do need the wrist strap, but I find the grip helps when grabbing one handed and doesn't make it as slippy in general, if I bought another I'd buy a grip and case for sure

.

Others would testify to the benefits of the more expensive version, but as a point and shoot that you can grab extra photos, when not out taking "real photographs", it does the job and of course the sensor is great as it passes Alamy's criteria at a very reasonable price, so I won't be upgrading unless I have to. In the UK the price gap is ridiculous compared to the U.S.

Mk 3 £479 with case & grip

Va £799 camera only

Mk 6 £979 camera only

Mk 7 £1,179 camera only

At that price, I'd want something that was more like a mini SLR with interchangeable lenses & viewfinder.

 

The other thing is of course, unlike with a big camera, you never get the "have you got permission,," or other strange comments.

 

I tend to use mine on manual, but that's how I shoot on my main camera, I find it hard to use Auto on a camera..

 

I just bought that mk 3 offer for my wife.

I am very impressed with the quality of the images, so much so that I am thinking of buying one for myself.

My question to more experienced RX users is the point you are making, is it worth paying so much extra for the later models? 

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4 hours ago, BobD said:

 

I just bought that mk 3 offer for my wife.

I am very impressed with the quality of the images, so much so that I am thinking of buying one for myself.

My question to more experienced RX users is the point you are making, is it worth paying so much extra for the later models? 

 

That's difficult to answer. Maybe first use the mk3 a while yourself and then see what you don't use or don't like.

Side by side comparison here.

The last one (VII) is all about video, so if you don't use video or not with an external microphone, you can skip that one.

The lens reach is the other obvious choice: 28-100 or 24-70 or 24-200 are your flavors.

The newer ones have improvements and they are quicker in all respects, but the increments are mostly tiny. If you skip some iterations, you will notice it, but not upgrading to the next one.

Notable exceptions:

That lens reach obviously.

Timelapse built-in since mk7 (but available via plug-in app in mk3-5);

90.0 fps (wo CAF) on the mk7;

Touch screen since mk6;

Phase detect AF since mk5;

4K since mk4;

EVF since mk3;

Wifi since mk2;

Tilting screen since mk2;

Flash shoe on mk2 only.

Plug in apps are available for mk3-5. Some are free, like Remote.

 

wim

 

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On 27/07/2020 at 10:00, BobD said:

 

I just bought that mk 3 offer for my wife.

I am very impressed with the quality of the images, so much so that I am thinking of buying one for myself.

My question to more experienced RX users is the point you are making, is it worth paying so much extra for the later models? 

As I said, I wouldn't because there doesn't seem to be that much advantage, for the price, but I'm not using the later versions, others will know the answer or have a better opinion

 

If there was a slightly higher price than the mk 3 that had 24-120 equivalent, I'd consider that when mine bites the dust, but the rises in price are too much for me or if my sales of Sony photos went through the roof, however. I feel it is still a point and shoot, a very good point and shoot, but doesn't compare to my Nikons, but you can take it anywhere, be less obtrusive and I've not had anyone question my motives.....yet! & for the size the quality is very good 

 

CC

 

 

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To make the RX100 even less obtrusive I just stumbled upon these:
 
https://cf.shopee.ph/file/8ea9696b09b4a8168a65e716bafeb7e9464ba03930a93ff7c3e47956ae186acba55012a5
 
It may even solve small slippery camera syndrome. 😂
Search Ebay or Aliexpress for Sony rx100 silicone case. (Prices as low as $5.)
B&H lists them as discontinued, so I may be a bit behind the times on this one.
 
The only problem I can see is people thinking it's one of these
 
Bulk Buy | Novelty Prank Water Squirting Camera Toy (10cm)
 
will be putting their umbrellas up.
Or get their super soaker out and squirt you first of course.A former NASA engineer has created what may be the world's largest ...
wim
 
 
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Just wondering what the pop up viewfinder is like, and does it have dioptre correction?  I'm able to use my Sony a6500 without glasses as the viewfinder is excellent, would that be true of the RX100 VA ?  Contemplating spending some cash after carrying heavy kit about on a hot day!

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2 hours ago, Bryan said:

 

Thanks Harry, so it does have dioptre adjustment. 


Yes it does have diopter and dioptre adjustment. 😀

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Just to be aware. On my copy of the Mk3 model the diopter dioptre adjustment sometimes tends to wander and needs reseting.

 

Allan

 

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5 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

Just to be aware. On my copy of the Mk3 model the diopter adjustment sometimes tends to wander and needs reseting.

 

Allan

 


Not seen this on my VA. It hasn’t moved since I set it last year until I checked it today. 

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Another question, any idea if the RX100 VA is supported by the last stand alone version of LR? 

 

Edit - If I'm reading this correctly the most recent supported camera is the RX100 V (DSC-RX100M5)

 

Dioptre - British spelling

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14 hours ago, Bryan said:

Another question, any idea if the RX100 VA is supported by the last stand alone version of LR? 

 

Edit - If I'm reading this correctly the most recent supported camera is the RX100 V (DSC-RX100M5)

 

Dioptre - British spelling


If the camera release date is after the release date of the last version of standalone Lightroom, then it won’t be supported.
 

The spell checker on my iPad  gave the American spelling of dioptre even though it is set to British English and autocorrected. So I figured I better give both to be on the safe side. 

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