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Me too, Betty. I have an appointment for my yearly physical exam on Thursday. I was in my doctor's office today to have my blood drawn so he will have results on Thursday. There is a sign on his door saying they have not had any Covid-19 cases and if we think we have it we should NOT come into the office. We should go home and call for instructions. I talked to him about it and he said they hope to continue with zero cases but the problem is that anyone who is exposed has to be quarantined. It had occurred to me that I could catch the virus at my doctor's office but not that I could be quarantined even if I didn't catch it. We only have 19 cases in all of New York City so I am going to get the physical and be glad to have it over before there is a problem here. I am also due for my six month dental check-up and in three weeks I have an appointment for the preparation of my dental implant to get the crown. I'm not at all sure about doing that. If there is an epidemic later I'll be sorry I put it off. I also am due to see my nurse practitioner at Sloan-Kettering next month. Since it's a cancer hospital and people on chemo have poor immune health they always have signs saying we need to speak up about any signs of illness we have. I actually trust them to postpone appointments if they think that is necessary. I don't suppose the virus has reached Kansas so you should be fine.

 

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52 minutes ago, NYCat said:

Me too, Betty. I have an appointment for my yearly physical exam on Thursday. I was in my doctor's office today to have my blood drawn so he will have results on Thursday. There is a sign on his door saying they have not had any Covid-19 cases and if we think we have it we should NOT come into the office. We should go home and call for instructions. I talked to him about it and he said they hope to continue with zero cases but the problem is that anyone who is exposed has to be quarantined. It had occurred to me that I could catch the virus at my doctor's office but not that I could be quarantined even if I didn't catch it. We only have 19 cases in all of New York City so I am going to get the physical and be glad to have it over before there is a problem here. I am also due for my six month dental check-up and in three weeks I have an appointment for the preparation of my dental implant to get the crown. I'm not at all sure about doing that. If there is an epidemic later I'll be sorry I put it off. I also am due to see my nurse practitioner at Sloan-Kettering next month. Since it's a cancer hospital and people on chemo have poor immune health they always have signs saying we need to speak up about any signs of illness we have. I actually trust them to postpone appointments if they think that is necessary. I don't suppose the virus has reached Kansas so you should be fine.

 

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Actually we do have a case near Kansas City, another at the University of Kansas, and a couple of more waiting results in my area.The only state around us with no cases, unless it has changed, is Missouri and Arkansas. I’ll bet that changes soon. I do believe it will soon be in all states. 
I’ve been thinking of you a lot, because the largest cities have so many more travelers. But when you consider only 19 in such a large population, it’s not so bad.

It’s all very fluid, though.

I hate what’s happening in nursing homes. I actually know first-hand how uneducated and sloppy the workers are in nursing homes. Many of them are so lazy, they think it’s too much trouble and work to maintain sterile procedures. I witnessed one raising my mother’s urine bag high over her body which resulted in contaminated urine flowing back into her. It’s no wonder she had constant bladder infections.  
I don’t know what the answer is for those poor, sweet people. My mother was kept at home as long as we could do so, until we just couldn’t meet her needs any longer. She’s gone now this past 8 years.

Betty

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Here in Cremona, Italy, we have all been put in quarantine together with 16 million other people in Northern Italy, we can't exit from our area, but we can still go to work and all shops are open. Yet, schools are closed, together with museums, gyms, theaters, and so on. What is suprising is how quick this infection spreads, despite the many precautions we are all taking; there are 294 cases today in the city (with a population of 70,000), they were 122 two days ago. My 93-year-old mother is currenly at home since Sunday with couch and fever; happily I and my sister, who is a physician, can assist her full-time; obviously wearing chirurgical mask, disposable gloves and white coats.  It emerged that one of the most dangerous behaviours is to congregate in small and crowdy places, such as bars, cinemas, trains, and the like.
Anyway people here try to live as usual, when possible and taking all prescribed precautions. This too shall pass...

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1 hour ago, Betty LaRue said:

Actually we do have a case near Kansas City, another at the University of Kansas, and a couple of more waiting results in my area.The only state around us with no cases, unless it has changed, is Missouri and Arkansas. I’ll bet that changes soon. I do believe it will soon be in all states. 
I’ve been thinking of you a lot, because the largest cities have so many more travelers. But when you consider only 19 in such a large population, it’s not so bad.

It’s all very fluid, though.

I hate what’s happening in nursing homes. I actually know first-hand how uneducated and sloppy the workers are in nursing homes. Many of them are so lazy, they think it’s too much trouble and work to maintain sterile procedures. I witnessed one raising my mother’s urine bag high over her body which resulted in contaminated urine flowing back into her. It’s no wonder she had constant bladder infections.  
I don’t know what the answer is for those poor, sweet people. My mother was kept at home as long as we could do so, until we just couldn’t meet her needs any longer. She’s gone now this past 8 years.

Betty

 

You're right about nursing home workers. I've seen things firsthand as well. Some workers are true saints and others are really careless and have to be watched all the time. It's a crime (literally) what goes on in some care homes, even in super expensive private ones. If you're an old person in one of these places and you have no one advocating for you, you're in big trouble.

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19 minutes ago, riccarbi said:

Here in Cremona, Italy, we have all been put in quarantine together with 16 million other people in Northern Italy, we can't exit from our area, but we can still go to work and all shops are open. Yet, schools are closed, together with museums, gyms, theaters, and so on. What is suprising is how quick this infection spreads, despite the many precautions we are all taking; there are 294 cases today in the city (with a population of 70,000), they were 122 two days ago. My 93-year-old mother is currenly at home since Sunday with couch and fever; happily I and my sister, who is a physician, can assist her full-time; obviously wearing chirurgical mask, disposable gloves and white coats.  It emerged that one of the most dangerous behaviours is to congregate in small and crowdy places, such as bars, cinemas, trains, and the like.
Anyway people here try to live as usual, when possible and taking all prescribed precautions. This too shall pass...

 

Let's hope that things start to improve in Italy. Realistically, though, it sounds as if the situation will probably get worse before it starts to get better. You sound as if you have a positive attitude, which should help matters.

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Well, my fellow humans… we’ve had our turn, but the race is run. What’s coming next? My bet is a loose coalition of dolphins and cockroaches. It was good while it lasted. Goodbye…

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29 minutes ago, riccarbi said:

Here in Cremona, Italy, we have all been put in quarantine together with 16 million other people in Northern Italy, we can't exit from our area, but we can still go to work and all shops are open. Yet, schools are closed, together with museums, gyms, theaters, and so on. What is suprising is how quick this infection spreads, despite the many precautions we are all taking; there are 294 cases today in the city (with a population of 70,000), they were 122 two days ago. My 93-year-old mother is currenly at home since Sunday with couch and fever; happily I and my sister, who is a physician, can assist her full-time; obviously wearing chirurgical mask, disposable gloves and white coats.  It emerged that one of the most dangerous behaviours is to congregate in small and crowdy places, such as bars, cinemas, trains, and the like.
Anyway people here try to live as usual, when possible and taking all prescribed precautions. This too shall pass...

We're very concerned here (the forum worries about its members- when I was out of touch in New Zealand in December, because I don't do smartphones, Betty thought the White Island volcano might have got me) so good wishes to you and yours.

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43 minutes ago, John Morrison said:

My bet is a loose coalition of dolphins and cockroaches. 

 

I thought we had that already (more sharks than dolphins though).

 

Anyway it must be the end of the world. The Photography Show has been postponed. I am not surprised.

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1 hour ago, riccarbi said:

Here in Cremona, Italy, we have all been put in quarantine together with 16 million other people in Northern Italy,

Riccarbi, here in the UK it seems to be something of a "phoney war". Most people are getting on with their lives as before. It's hard to think that we could be forced into quarantine as you have. Only time will tell.

 

Meanwhile my very best wishes to you, your sister, and especially your mother. I sincerely hope for the best for you all.

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Sii forte, Riccardi. I still have a few close friends living in Italy, and I am worried for them and for us all. I had spicy curry for lunch. That will kill any virus or pathogen. 

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1 hour ago, Ed Rooney said:

I had spicy curry for lunch. That will kill any virus or pathogen. 

I think that only works if you also apply it externally, Ed 😀

 

It's certainly been brought home to me today with the school over the road being closed for deep cleaning after a suspected contact and a local family also being suspected contacts.  Like others, my wife (suppressed immune system after lymphoma and lung cancer and mild COPD) and I (diabetes and hypoparathyroidism) are both in the high risk grouping.  I had a drs appointment today.  The surgery rang to arrange a telephone consultation.  The next few weeks could be interesting.

 

 

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Woke up this morning, all news were the COVID19 running out of control, then Dow went down 2,000 points, almost 8%. Just when I thought this could be the end of the world,  news came a meteor of 4 km wide, capable of wiping out the entire earth, is heading our way.  Strangely, nothing seemed matter anymore.

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Unfortunately, BC has just had it's first Coronavirus death, an elderly man living in a nursing home in North Vancouver. It's also the first COVID-19 death in Canada. I suppose we're in something of an advantageous position given that Canada is a vast country with long distances between cities and towns, unlike say Italy or the UK. Still, it's all very concerning...

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56 minutes ago, Gabbro said:

Woke up this morning, all news were the COVID19 running out of control, then Dow went down 2,000 points, almost 8%. Just when I thought this could be the end of the world,  news came a meteor of 4 km wide, capable of wiping out the entire earth, is heading our way.  Strangely, nothing seemed matter anymore.


It’s an asteroid and will pass safely by the Earth at a distance of 6 million km. It wouldn’t wipe out the Earth in any case, although it would have a significant effect on terrestrial life I expect if it did hit but no worries. 

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1 hour ago, MDM said:


It’s an asteroid and will pass safely by the Earth at a distance of 6 million km. It wouldn’t wipe out the Earth in any case, although it would have a significant effect on terrestrial life I expect if it did hit but no worries. 

Thanks for the update. Now I can sleep tight tonight.

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2 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

Unfortunately, BC has just had it's first Coronavirus death, an elderly man living in a nursing home in North Vancouver. It's also the first COVID-19 death in Canada. I suppose we're in something of an advantageous position given that Canada is a vast country with long distances between cities and towns, unlike say Italy or the UK. Still, it's all very concerning...

 

i fly back to Toronto tomorrow from Mexico, curious to see airport procedures.  So far Mexico has extremely low rate of infection, but this may be more indication of their system. lot's of stuff in bloom, plus pollution so with my allergies i spent today indoors because i don't really want to go to airport sneezing.....  

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29 minutes ago, Gabbro said:

Thanks for the update. Now I can sleep tight tonight.

Don’t mention it. And in other news, the sun will become a red dwarf and die out completely in a few billion years give or take a few billion. In the meantime .......

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6 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

 

You're right about nursing home workers. I've seen things firsthand as well. Some workers are true saints and others are really careless and have to be watched all the time. It's a crime (literally) what goes on in some care homes, even in super expensive private ones. If you're an old person in one of these places and you have no one advocating for you, you're in big trouble.

My sister lived in the same town as my mom, about a mile away. She’s a retired RN nurse and did her best to stay on top of it. She’s the one who caught the aide raising the bag. But my sister couldn’t be there 24/7. The aides got used to the time my sis visited every day. One night about 8 pm, my sister made a surprise visit. They had my mother sitting in a hard straight chair in a dark room restrained with straps. Nothing on but a light hospital gown in a freezing cold room.  My mom was crying and shivering so hard. She’d been there so long she had wet herself.  It is against the law to restrain patients without the family agreeing. My mom, crying and shaking with cold, said, “Ohhhhh, Jean, I’m so glad your here, I’m so cold...” My mom was 5’2” and weighed about 90 lbs by then. Just bones.
The person at the desk who was relaxing eating doughnuts and reading a book had no skin left when my sister finished with her. Sis threatened to turn them in to the state board and arranged a meeting with the supervisor and head nurse of the home. They were white-faced when my sis got done with them. Just think what happens with no advocate.

I shouldn’t have brought it up. I’m furious all over again. 😡 And yes, it actually was a crime!

Betty

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6 hours ago, spacecadet said:

We're very concerned here (the forum worries about its members- when I was out of touch in New Zealand in December, because I don't do smartphones, Betty thought the White Island volcano might have got me) so good wishes to you and yours.

Yes I was mildly concerned. Time went on and I was very concerned. Then I had a full blown worry.
Y’all are family. Not like I don’t have a family, I do, a loving one. Close-knit. But you all are family from a different mother. 😁

 

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1 hour ago, meanderingemu said:

 

i fly back to Toronto tomorrow from Mexico, curious to see airport procedures.  So far Mexico has extremely low rate of infection, but this may be more indication of their system. lot's of stuff in bloom, plus pollution so with my allergies i spent today indoors because i don't really want to go to airport sneezing.....  

I flew from Japan month ago;  at YVR guy just asked me "Are you feeling ok" and when I nodded he waved me off.  This was a bit unsettling.   Also read, same timeframe, some person with nose running like Niagara Falls at YYZ, they just gave him some information pamphlets and off you go.   I sincerely hope it is a bit more serious now

 

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5 minutes ago, Autumn Sky said:

I flew from Japan month ago;  at YVR guy just asked me "Are you feeling ok" and when I nodded he waved me off.  This was a bit unsettling.   Also read, same timeframe, some person with nose running like Niagara Falls at YYZ, they just gave him some information pamphlets and off you go.  I sincerely hope it is a bit more serious now

 

 

But the fact is that there are significant numbers of asymtomatic people including some superspreaders (source The Guardian ) so just because you are not sneezing and/or coughing and/or have  aching muscles does not mean you do not have Covid-19. Conversely just because you are sneezing or coughing does not mean you do have it and most likely do not at this point in time. It is very problematic indeed for containment. 

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1 hour ago, MDM said:

 

But the fact is that there are significant numbers of asymtomatic people including some superspreaders (source The Guardian ) so just because you are not sneezing and/or coughing and/or have  aching muscles does not mean you do not have Covid-19. Conversely just because you are sneezing or coughing does not mean you do have it and most likely do not at this point in time. It is very problematic indeed for containment. 

I don't think you can contain it at all.   You can't hermetically seal the borders (think today Israel imposed 2 week quarantine for anyone entering the country?)  It is just going to run its course and die down.    But bigger question in my mind this race has to ask itself is:  How do we limit exponential population growth and environment damage as its direct consequence.  I just spent 8 weeks in Asia.   It is not just air quality (thick layers of smog everywhere, trapped heat etc) -- it is also basic hygiene.  Trash everywhere, plastic.  RIvers so polluted and stinky from decay and bacteria.  Everyone idling cars like its normal.  People burning trash in Nepal because there is no basic garbage disposal, which just further degrades the atmosphere.  I could go on for hours .   This is the real problem;  corona is just side manifestation of much larger problem.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Autumn Sky said:

I flew from Japan month ago;  at YVR guy just asked me "Are you feeling ok" and when I nodded he waved me off.  This was a bit unsettling.   Also read, same timeframe, some person with nose running like Niagara Falls at YYZ, they just gave him some information pamphlets and off you go.   I sincerely hope it is a bit more serious now

 

 

wow, i'll report tomorrow.   

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43 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

But the fact is that there are significant numbers of asymtomatic people including some superspreaders (source The Guardian ) so just because you are not sneezing and/or coughing and/or have  aching muscles does not mean you do not have Covid-19. Conversely just because you are sneezing or coughing does not mean you do have it and most likely do not at this point in time. It is very problematic indeed for containment. 

 

also the business world is not adapting to people.  even if i felt slightly under the weather tomorrow (which i am not),  i would lose my flight and Airbnb would not allow me to cancel my Toronto reservation, because i need official quarantine order for that, also putting my host at risk for the sake of their 15% commission.    i'm wondering if this will collapse the whole AirBnb model, they are in trouble for the full apartment rental side, and now you just need a few private room hosts to get infected because of the lack of flexibility ... 

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16 hours ago, sb photos said:

At some time in the likely near future I have to make a decision when to avoid packed trains and the tube, as the potential risk to my health increases.

I'm fortunate in that I don't have to go on a  tube, train or bus but then I'm nowhere near as proactive as I think you are in searching out things to photograph. I wasn't going to go to the Photography Show, I didn't have a pressing need to do so but it never seemed like a good idea for me, I imagine all those having to work on those stands are particularly relieved. Credit to the organisers for presumably taking a financial hit in postponing before there was any government imperative to do so. Reading between the lines I think the government are not banning all large events yet because of the potential effect on business, the economy, and it seems because the public won't put up with this for more than a certain length of carefully modelled time, so they wish to delay that decision for as long as possible. Not because it's a good idea to go to any of them.

 

I just heard this chap, John Campbell, on the radio saying that evidence from China suggests that infectious droplets can stay in the air for up to 30 minutes. I've not heard of him before but if the Forbes article is correct then he presents the current best medical evidence in his daily videos with no advertising. I absolutely don't know if this is true or how credible the evidence he gives is but I might have a look myself.

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