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17 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Looks like they have opened the doors to a free for all.

 

Allan

 

 

This has been the case for a couple of years now. If it hasn't hurt your collection by now it will probably have no impact in the future.

Let's say that this particular brand of copycats is not the brightest. Until they're starting to come in before our own of course. 😡

 

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I think a good number of tag copycats are people who don’t have a command of English. You’d think they would recognize a name, though. Wouldn’t you? But then they may be applying them to a number of images at once and fail to bother checking in their haste.

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3 hours ago, Betty LaRue said:

I think a good number of tag copycats are people who don’t have a command of English. You’d think they would recognize a name, though. Wouldn’t you? But then they may be applying them to a number of images at once and fail to bother checking in their haste.

Betty

 

That's probably true in many cases. Sadly, a lot of native English speakers don't have a good command of the language either, and some of them reach high places. There might also be cultural factors. In some cultures, copying is not frowned upon but actually seen as a virtue. I learned that during my teaching days in international schools. Students would all copy the smartest kids' assignments and then wonder why I was upset with them. I mean, isn't copying the "gold standard" the most sensible thing to do?

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6 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

 

That's probably true in many cases. Sadly, a lot of native English speakers don't have a good command of the language either, and some of them reach high places. There might also be cultural factors. In some cultures, copying is not frowned upon but actually seen as a virtue. I learned that during my teaching days in international schools. Students would all copy the smartest kids' assignments and then wonder why I was upset with them. I mean, isn't copying the "gold standard" the most sensible thing to do?

I remember a nephew who ran a convenience store on land of a certain culture.  Some people stole him blind. He would catch one in the act sometimes, and the person was very ashamed.

Not for stealing, but ashamed he/she wasn’t good enough to not get caught.

Another culture where people shared what they had routinely, didn’t think it was wrong to strip what peaches the late freeze spared on my tree for their lunch. It was a roofing crew. And I had plans to make a peach cobbler with those peaches!! 😁

If the tree had been loaded, I wouldn’t have minded. But they got the only 10 the tree produced.

Ahh, well. I’m still mad. 😤 If you tasted my peach cobblers, you’d understand. 😊

Betty

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Way back in the day I remember a visiting education expert coming to talk to us (teachers). Of an afternoon's talk, all I remember is two off-topic anecdotes, one of which was him saying (it being the beginning of computer plagiarism), tongue in cheek, "The smarter ones will  delete "Copyright Encarta".

For Young People: Encarta was an early electronic dictionary put out by Microsoft (on a CD-Rom IIRC), before Wikipedia.

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On 22/07/2019 at 08:20, Betty LaRue said:

Interesting. My husband took the picture of the firefighter/baby at the Oklahoma City bombing. He stood with a wide angle lens on a Nikon camera. Over his shoulder and back, another man took the identical shot with a zoom lens. My husband’s was cropped and used for the cover of Newsweek magazine which made it look blurry, but the whole shot was inside the magazine, sharp.

The other guy’s was on the New York Times newspaper (?) and won the Pulitzer because of the newspaper connection.

Neither guy was a professional. The other guy walked out of his downtown office, my husband worked for the natural gas co. and went downtown to make sure it wasn’t a gas explosion.

Betty

 

Wow Betty - I remember seeing those images at the time - one of the most powerful images I've ever seen. I probably am recalling both your husband's and the other as I had subscriptions to both of those publications at the time. It still brings tears to my eyes to recall it. They should have shared the Pulitzer. I'd guess the other photographer's editor put him up for the prize. Who knew that such a shocking and horrible attack would be followed by so many others - both foreign and domestic terrorists - from teens with guns to well coordinated crashes. When we feel squeamish about intruding by taking a photo at a news event, we need to recall that we are bearing witness and telling a story that needs to be told. The image of that innocent child's body in the arms of a firefighter said more about the depravity of the attack than any words ever could. 

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On 24/07/2019 at 19:32, Cryptoprocta said:

Way back in the day I remember a visiting education expert coming to talk to him. Of an afternoon's talk, all I remember is one off topic anecdote which struck home, and him saying (it being the beginning of computer plagiarism), tongue in cheek, "The smarter ones will  delete "Copyright Encarta".

For Young People: Encarta was an early electronic dictionary put out by Microsoft (on a CD-Rom IIRC), before Wikipedia.

 

By the time my daughter was in high school, the kids had to run every written assignment through a computer program that was there to catch plagiarism, that's how bad it had gotten. I forget the name of it, but they used it at her university too.  

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I have taken a photo of a sign with beach and cliffs behind in Wales thinking no one else would bother with this and after putting it up had a look and about 4 or 5 of the same sign and view were already up by other photographers. At times wonder if anything exists which hasn't been photographed.

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3 hours ago, Marianne said:

 

Wow - I thought they had dealt with that problem. Still worth an email - I'd guess it would be easy to prove that the person is using Wim's name in keywords when his name is different. 

 

Image theft is so rampant, just so discouraging. I find so many of my images on sites where there is no recourse. But to find them on reputable sites and have to wait for them to be removed is really discouraging. The issue with improper keywords is different than stolen images - hope Wim can get it resolved. 

 

To be clear: those are not my images. Just images of some of the same subjects with my keywords nicked wholesale including my name.

It used to be a good idea to include one's name in the keywords and some of my images still have the old keywords. So the only thing I could do would be to ask to remove my name from their keywords. If the problem grows, I might.

 

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6 hours ago, wiskerke said:

 

To be clear: those are not my images. Just images of some of the same subjects with my keywords nicked wholesale including my name.

It used to be a good idea to include one's name in the keywords and some of my images still have the old keywords. So the only thing I could do would be to ask to remove my name from their keywords. If the problem grows, I might.

 

wim

 

 

yeah, probably worth monitoring, as many people use keyword tools without checking the actual words, so this could get worse, even without malice

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12 hours ago, Charles Stirling said:

I have taken a photo of a sign with beach and cliffs behind in Wales thinking no one else would bother with this and after putting it up had a look and about 4 or 5 of the same sign and view were already up by other photographers. At times wonder if anything exists which hasn't been photographed.

You could try looking for things you are sure must have been photographed.
I live near the city of Bath - world heritage site, huge numbers of tourists etc etc where you would think everything had been photographed, especially anything that research marks as "rare example".  Nope.  I have found more than one bit of Bath not on stock sites.
Also, many ordinary everyday things you see so often you do not even notice you are seeing them things.  A good test is to ask yourself if you know what something is (as opposed to what it does - we see things we know what they do we do not ask if we know what they are)  - if you don't see if you can find out what it is.  If it turns out to be something that the identity of is actually fairly specialised even though loads of people see it then it may not have been photographed.
 

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On 02/08/2019 at 13:58, Marianne said:

 

Wow Betty - I remember seeing those images at the time - one of the most powerful images I've ever seen. I probably am recalling both your husband's and the other as I had subscriptions to both of those publications at the time. It still brings tears to my eyes to recall it. They should have shared the Pulitzer. I'd guess the other photographer's editor put him up for the prize. Who knew that such a shocking and horrible attack would be followed by so many others - both foreign and domestic terrorists - from teens with guns to well coordinated crashes. When we feel squeamish about intruding by taking a photo at a news event, we need to recall that we are bearing witness and telling a story that needs to be told. The image of that innocent child's body in the arms of a firefighter said more about the depravity of the attack than any words ever could. 

I don’t know whether Newsweek entered Bob’s. If so, they probably had to enter the uncropped version that showed the firefighter/baby and a woman on a stretcher at his feet.  The impact was of the cropped version, which the other guy had zoomed. If his was cropped, it was very little because it was sharp, where they cropped Bob’s making it look soft.  What I know about photography now, I think Newsweek May have deliberately softened it to make it more palatable, because the cropped version should have held up for a cover.

 

And you are right. Those pictures demonstrated the true horror of what happened, and Bob received letters from people who said they contributed to the victim’s fund because of it. He didn’t get one letter admonishing him. The money from the photos were set aside for the fund, anyway. Bob had a 2-page spread inside of the bombed building. In the foreground was a firefighter putting out a car fire in the parking lot. Debris everywhere.

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Hi All

 

We've removed any posts referencing Shutterstock and their processes as this isn't the platform to be discussing this on.

 

We suggest that you get in contact with them or use their forum if you wish to discuss this further.

 

Thanks,

Alamy

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On 03/08/2019 at 11:18, Starsphinx said:

You could try looking for things you are sure must have been photographed.
I live near the city of Bath - world heritage site, huge numbers of tourists etc etc where you would think everything had been photographed, especially anything that research marks as "rare example".  Nope.  I have found more than one bit of Bath not on stock sites.
Also, many ordinary everyday things you see so often you do not even notice you are seeing them things.  A good test is to ask yourself if you know what something is (as opposed to what it does - we see things we know what they do we do not ask if we know what they are)  - if you don't see if you can find out what it is.  If it turns out to be something that the identity of is actually fairly specialised even though loads of people see it then it may not have been photographed.
 

 

Hello Starsphinx, any interest in that sentry box in Bath yet? It's something I have only see on alamy, perhaps it needs a bit of marketing. Cotswold Life are alamy friendly. Just sayin...

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On 02/08/2019 at 13:02, Marianne said:

 

By the time my daughter was in high school, the kids had to run every written assignment through a computer program that was there to catch plagiarism, that's how bad it had gotten. I forget the name of it, but they used it at her university too.  

 

TurnItIn -- we used that one at Drexel.  One of my students claimed to have loaned his computer to a friend who was in another class, but with the same basic assignment.  Friend's was uploaded first.  We ended up with three way faculty discussion about claims, priority, and I asked my student to just do another paper and never loan out his computer again.  Second paper was okay.

 

I had students do journals and those were often far more fascinating than their papers, and tipped me once to an instance of plagiarism that I found by Googling some key sentences.  His journal said how much he hated the class, but the paper was excellent, too excellent.  

 

Like anything else, the students who were sure they could write really well considered a further composition class an imposition and often decided that cheating was okay because it was just a trash course and they knew how to write already since they'd been in AP English in high school.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Mr Standfast said:

 

Hello Starsphinx, any interest in that sentry box in Bath yet? It's something I have only see on alamy, perhaps it needs a bit of marketing. Cotswold Life are alamy friendly. Just sayin...

To be honest I do not have the time or resources to market stuff myself.  I am not managing to shoot and upload the numbers I want to as it is.  My, admittedly naive, hope is that agencies will market what I provide them lol

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On 20/07/2019 at 08:05, wiskerke said:

 

 

It gets worse: I now seem to have really bad images on SS and similar sites which come up on Google Images. Yuk.

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/wim+wiskerke

https://www.barewalls.com/posters-art-prints/wim-wiskerke.html

 

wim

 

 Ha, same here Wim, this is not my photo, but I have the same subject on Alamy, keywords include my name. Guess this photographer just copied the lot!
https://www.shutterstock.com/ru/image-photo/myzostomid-worms-myzostoma-sp-feather-star-752445520

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