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1 minute ago, Pearl said:

Goodness gracious it's sunny in Sheerness.  Wow that should hit the headlines!!

 

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Yet the papers love such images... depends if it's a 'slow news' day or not I guess.

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Just now, Sprocket said:

Perhaps a more constructive approach would be to restrict access to the existing News, Sport, and Entertainment tabs but add an extra tab for topical or soft news images with access for all. This would prevent the weather and blossom images from cluttering the hard news categories without shutting out contributors who wish to develop their photo-journalism  skills. A limit on the number of images that could be uploaded per month might encourage people to edit more carefully and not to use it as a route to avoid QC. Just a thought...

 

Yes, I effectively suggested that earlier in the thread. 

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1 minute ago, Sprocket said:

Perhaps a more constructive approach would be to restrict access to the existing News, Sport, and Entertainment tabs but add an extra tab for topical or soft news images with access for all. This would prevent the weather and blossom images from cluttering the hard news categories without shutting out contributors who wish to develop their photo-journalism  skills. A limit on the number of images that could be uploaded per month might encourage people to edit more carefully and not to use it as a route to avoid QC. Just a thought...

 

Reasonable suggestion on the face of it

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5 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

 

Yes, I effectively suggested that earlier in the thread. 

 

So you did. Sorry about that. 

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4 minutes ago, Sprocket said:

add an extra tab for topical or soft news

Yes, my thoughts exactly but you've added the detail in what looks like a very workable solution. It's clear that these soft news pictures are important both to the photographers and to Alamy and they've never sat well amongst the News, Sport or Entertainment categories so this seems like a very good idea. The time limit could be extended I suppose, there isn't quite the urgency. I wonder if Alamy will listen. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

 

Yet the papers love such images... depends if it's a 'slow news' day or not I guess.

Well it's raining on Anglesey but I wouldn't dream of sending that in as live news unless it was extreme.  Oh but wait - there's a Starling on the lawn - how do I apply?
 

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Reported by Sally in The Times, a typical example of soft news T1EGBC by Ed Brown. If he's on the forum I'd be interested to learn how much he earned from this as Live News vs a standard Stock shot - obviously not the detail, but relative earnings.

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6 minutes ago, Russell said:

Reported by Sally in The Times, a typical example of soft news T1EGBC by Ed Brown. If he's on the forum I'd be interested to learn how much he earned from this as Live News vs a standard Stock shot - obviously not the detail, but relative earnings.

This wasn’t a Live News use since it was uploaded on March 26th. It is a stock use. 

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3 minutes ago, Pearl said:

Well it's raining on Anglesey but I wouldn't dream of sending that in as live news unless it was extreme.  Oh but wait - there's a Starling on the lawn - how do I apply?
 

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Having looked, the Sheerness images are a bit 'lame' and I agree.. I wouldn't have uploaded those. But people with umbrellas fighting against bad weather in a town setting.. maybe.

 

4 minutes ago, Russell said:

Reported by Sally in The Times, a typical example of soft news T1EGBC by Ed Brown. If he's on the forum I'd be interested to learn how much he earned from this as Live News vs a standard Stock shot - obviously not the detail, but relative earnings.

 

And I think this is the point. Papers do use these images... and clearly they took the Live News image of a bird sat on a twig instead of one from the stock collection.. I guess simply because it comes with some providence of being 'of the moment' or 'current'. Equally, the Guardian used a sunset in Bournemouth that I submitted about a month ago as Live News... again.. thousands of sunset images in the stock collection. 

 

In my case, I was on a family day out, happened to be on the beach during a nice sunset so took images with my Sony RX100 -> transferred to my phone using the camera's built in wifi functionality -> uploaded with Shuttersnitch in minutes -> I got a $$$ sale.

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Interesting move from Almy - seems to be more about restricting the number of images rather than effectively QC for those it gets. I can understand why as there have been comments about variable quality and newsworthiness in the past. I have only uploaded a few times and only I think weather related. Never sold via this route although similar images seem to be frequently reported as being bought. However as others have said it will essentially limit their pool of potential news images to those sent by previous contributors.

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17 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

and clearly they took the Live News image of a bird sat on a twig instead of one from the stock collection.. I guess simply because it comes with some providence of being 'of the moment' or 'current'.

The Times love doing this because they get expired live news cheap as chips. 

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1 hour ago, Foreign Export said:

 

To me your point makes the argument not to restrict who can upload - but to control what is uploaded

I agree, this is what other agencies do, you send in your photos, and quite often they will wittle them down, especially if it was an event that was well covered. It suggests that ALAMY doesn't have the manpower for this. At the end of the day, ALAMY leave all the hard work to the photographers and I think rather than swiping  a whole host of photojournalists off the table, they could perhaps look at reinstating the photographers that mostly file news worthy images and cap the amount of images you can upload to a max of 10.   The more I have had time to think about the way it happened yesterday, the more I think it was badly done. I had only been with them for eight months, hardly time to sit down, before getting swiped.

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4 minutes ago, N Quarmby said:

ALAMY doesn't have the manpower for this

I did wonder if this whole thing was because they wanted to 'streamline' the News Team to cut costs. I hope not for their sake of course.

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11 minutes ago, Harry Harrison said:

I did wonder if this whole thing was because they wanted to 'streamline' the News Team to cut costs. I hope not for their sake of course.

 

Lycra suits?

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32 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said:

Lycra suits?

Now that would make a photograph

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2 hours ago, Graham said:

Alamy are not unreasonable about this.  I am an occasional Live News contributor and I know I have sold at least one the next day as a direct consequence (as a result of the vigilance of some kind soul in one of the "Have you found any images in..." thread).

 

Yesterday evening I was coming home over London Bridge and by chance came across a protest by minicab drivers against Sadiq Khan and the imposition of the congestion change on minicabs.  I always have a camera with me and I enthusiastically snapped 100 or so pictures of what was going on, and headed for my train home with great anticipation, planning to upload some to Live News.  It takes me nearly 2 hours to get home, and as I was uploading the pictures to my computer, I checked my emails - what a day to find the notification from Alamy that Live News uploads were no longer possible!

 

A quick call to Alamy resulted in the suggestion that I email Live News with a sample picture, which I did.  They came back shortly afterwards and temporarily restored my Live News upload capability, as a result of which I was able to upload 19 images.  The images were up about 4 hours after they were taken. 

 

I will be looking later today to see whether any of them made the newspapers.  So far as I can see, there were no other Live News uploads covering the same subject yesterday (although there have been similar previous protests, which may mean that newspapers are less inclined to cover a repeat event).

 

Come what may, Alamy were certainly not dogmatic about this and found a way to help when there was an immediate and genuine Live News type event.

 

Graham

So now if someone happens to be in the right place at the right time instead of them going to a computer and uploading their images to live news they go to phone, call Alamy, get get asked to email a single image for inspection, send the single image, and then get allowed a temporary access to live news to upload the rest.

And you don't think that is unreasonable?

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I was in Berlin for the future for Friday climate March, and had a pic of Nobel prize nominated Greta T in front holding up a sign. I would have filed this, but didn't as I had some field issues. And in general Ihave covered other big and small protest marches in the past, are such events no longer newsworthy?  Th problem is stuff like this doesn't sell BECAUSE alamy doesn't have the right buyers for them, all the buyers are looking on getty, yet photographers like me are being penalized because they don't have, or have few live news sales, and I've been patient.   We shouldn't be penalized because of alamy's problem on their end.  On of my friends 2 years ago started covering protests and submitted to a obscure publishing house in the Philippines that fed photos into getty, today, many of his photos on climate, and activism are regularly featured in the bigger usa magazines like the Nation, and in the NY times.  

 

Why penalize small photos like us who have been patient with alamy?

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Well I went through "Re-applying" for the Live News Upload, and I have been occasionally contributing to Alamy Live News

since it began.  Yesterday I also had three stories happening at the same time.

 

I wanted to say that in most cases, submitting images within an hour of being shot is foolish.  I started as a magazine

photojournalist and have never wanted to be a wire service photographer.  I prefer my images and captions to be more finished

and the IPTC information to be more complete.  It is like the difference between an article in a daily newspaper and a

well written, researched piece in a weekly or monthly magazine.  Yea you might miss some low quick licenses, but

the long term licenses and quality are more important to me, Just My Opinion.

 

There are occasionally images where the speed of processing and upload are the most important issue, but not very often.

 

I will also add that yesterday, 4/4/19, Alamy News was great helping get it all straightened out and I was able to upload

event photos within hours of making the images.

 

My experience with Alamy and Alamy Live News has been exceptional and I've worked with a number of Photo agencies

and libraries over the decades.

 

Chuck

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To be fair to Alamy (and I've been one of the knockers in the past) this is reflective of a change in pace of the times,. With so much "subscriber" content via phones etc streaming live from an event, Live news has become just that "live". So i am guessing that to be in with a chance of selling a news image, that the one hour is actually being generous.

 

Most of the guys I know doing what I would call "news" have their wifi enabled cameras linked to their phones for  a quick edit and caption, and then away to the picture desk, they are doing it on the run now, not waiting to get back to the coffee shop to set up the laptop.

 

Apologies if this has already been stated.

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13 minutes ago, Chuck Nacke said:

Well I went through "Re-applying" for the Live News Upload, and I have been occasionally contributing to Alamy Live News

since it began.  Yesterday I also had three stories happening at the same time.

 

I wanted to say that in most cases, submitting images within an hour of being shot is foolish.  I started as a magazine

photojournalist and have never wanted to be a wire service photographer.  I prefer my images and captions to be more finished

and the IPTC information to be more complete.  It is like the difference between an article in a daily newspaper and a

well written, researched piece in a weekly or monthly magazine.  Yea you might miss some low quick licenses, but

the long term licenses and quality are more important to me, Just My Opinion.

 

There are occasionally images where the speed of processing and upload are the most important issue, but not very often.

 

I will also add that yesterday, 4/4/19, Alamy News was great helping get it all straightened out and I was able to upload

event photos within hours of making the images.

 

My experience with Alamy and Alamy Live News has been exceptional and I've worked with a number of Photo agencies

and libraries over the decades.

 

Chuck

I agree with you on the quality being more important overall than the speed. I have not had the same experience with Alamy as you, which is a real shame as they came recommended. I have not had any replies from Alamy, and I have had no outcome from reapplying. I have several news stories this weekend, needless to say, if my buttons are greyed out I won't be filing.

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Alamy probably just looked at how many News sales one got last year. My guess is that 20 would have been enough. Maybe even 10.

Another factor may have been if Live News has ever pushed one of yours out to the news desks, if not, thumbs down.

I'm afraid I qualified for both, so I'm out and deservedly so.

However rubbish I am at news photography, I seem to bump into stuff quite often. Could it be that the tick box with this: Do you have breaking news images which have been taken in the past hour - is meant for those occasions?

 

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56 minutes ago, isphoto said:

Most of the guys I know doing what I would call "news" have their wifi enabled cameras linked to their phones for  a quick edit and caption, and then away to the picture desk, they are doing it on the run now, not waiting to get back to the coffee shop to set up the laptop. 

 

 

Yes, that's the way i work for much of my LiveNews content..... pre load the (deliberatly not too specific)  caption/keyword into an app on my phone; shoot, review, selctg, file,  'as i go' .....pix are often up and running online on some news website before i manage to walk home.....

 

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From Chuck Nacke's post it's apparent how little thought went into this exercise.

They blocked Chuck Nacke??

 

This chap?

 

http://www.chucknacke.com

 

I'm pleased that his issue was resolved. I surmise blocking him/us was a fairly automated process and he was caught up in the net.

 

Mr Nacke's comments are a lesson in magnanimity.

 

I am however still put out by the process ALAMY followed.

- No warning.

- Little explanation.

- No timescale for the re-application process.

 

Business is business, Alamy had their reasons but to be honest they hurt my feelings.

 

So whats the way forward?

 

May I suggest we continue to discuss the nature of live news and focus our discusion on how to move the business on.

 

Should we differentiate between hard and soft news?

- Examples of hard news? Catwalks, eastern european politicians meeting putin and the chinese space agency pictures from the dark side of the moon.

- Soft News, the stuff the local press cover but might be interesting on a slow day in Austria. Jane Austen festivals or a chap building his own toll road.

- Stock photo submissions go through a 3 picture QC, why not New submissions? Has this issue arrisen because the news team are swamped with poor submission? (Mea Culpa)

 

If a photographer can be trusted enough to submit without QA then he should be trusted enough to differentiate between the two.

If a photographer is submitting news pictures which are very soft news and circumventing the two day QA wait, then deal with the issue on a one to one basis.

If Alamy cull their news contributors in an unsophisticated manner then they may miss opportunities. Who would have predicted the well deserved success of starlings and sunsets in Aberystwth.

 

James

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, RedSnapper said:

 

 

Yes, that's the way i work for much of my LiveNews content..... pre load the (deliberatly not too specific)  caption/keyword into an app on my phone; shoot, review, selctg, file,  'as i go' .....pix are often up and running online on some news website before i manage to walk home.....

 

km

 

What "Apps" are people using to upload images from their wifi capable camera? I have been using the Canon App to get the images onto the phone so far...

We obviously need to modify the IPTC  data before uploading

Can this all be done in one app - or do we need to use a IPTC editor, and then a FTP app?

 

I saw ShutterSnitch mentioned in an earlier post

 

(I'm using iPhone)

 

Regards

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1 minute ago, Jools Devon said:

 

What "Apps" are people using to upload images from their wifi capable camera? I have been using the Canon App to get the images onto the phone so far...

We obviously need to modify the IPTC  data before uploading

Can this all be done in one app - or do we need to use a IPTC editor, and then a FTP app?

 

I saw ShutterSnitch mentioned in an earlier post

 

(I'm using iPhone)

 

Regards

 

Shuttersnitch does it all.

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