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29 minutes ago, Bill Brooks said:

On the positive side, the photographers who were not cut out of live news should make more money.

 

If a news photographer is doing everything right, and better than others, then he/she should not have to split the money pot with others.

 

 

What "money pot"? It's not a zero-sum game. Others don't have to do badly for some to do well.

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On ‎05‎/‎04‎/‎2019 at 09:41, Mr Standfast said:

 

 

From Chuck Nacke's post it's apparent how little thought went into this exercise.

They blocked Chuck Nacke??

 

This chap?

 

http://www.chucknacke.com

 

I'm pleased that his issue was resolved. I surmise blocking him/us was a fairly automated process and he was caught up in the net.

 

Mr Nacke's comments are a lesson in magnanimity.

 

I am however still put out by the process ALAMY followed.

- No warning.

- Little explanation.

- No timescale for the re-application process.

 

Business is business, Alamy had their reasons but to be honest they hurt my feelings.

 

So whats the way forward?

 

May I suggest we continue to discuss the nature of live news and focus our discusion on how to move the business on.

 

Should we differentiate between hard and soft news?

- Examples of hard news? Catwalks, eastern european politicians meeting putin and the chinese space agency pictures from the dark side of the moon.

- Soft News, the stuff the local press cover but might be interesting on a slow day in Austria. Jane Austen festivals or a chap building his own toll road.

- Stock photo submissions go through a 3 picture QC, why not New submissions? Has this issue arrisen because the news team are swamped with poor submission? (Mea Culpa)

 

If a photographer can be trusted enough to submit without QA then he should be trusted enough to differentiate between the two.

If a photographer is submitting news pictures which are very soft news and circumventing the two day QA wait, then deal with the issue on a one to one basis.

If Alamy cull their news contributors in an unsophisticated manner then they may miss opportunities. Who would have predicted the well deserved success of starlings and sunsets in Aberystwth.

 

James

 

 

 

 

 

What?

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2 hours ago, spacecadet said:

What "money pot"? It's not a zero-sum game. Others don't have to do badly for some to do well.

 

Disagree.

 

If an agency keeps the number of photographers in balance with the agency gross sales, (the money pot), then all remaining agency photographers make a reasonable living.

 

One stock agency that I know closed the accounts of the bottom performers, while inviting new known top performers to join the agency.

 

Every year the bottom 10% were replaced with new photographers. If the agency sales went up, then the total number of photographers went up, but the bottom 10% still had their accounts closed.

 

The philosophy at this stock agency was to shift sales to the top performers, sign on new top performers, and create photographer competition within the stock agency in order to grow the business.

 

News is very competitive. The change was tough, but was probably long overdue.

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Well after dwelling on this for awhile I have made my decision. I of course will continue to shoot live news, just won't submit it to Alamy. Can't give your clients what they want if you don't have it. No more deadlines, captions they way Alamy wants it. With other clients they want it fast too, but they do captioning, they have better info than the photographer and they will at least tell you where it was sold/published. I will continue to send my news pics to stock, since with Alamy that is where most of my sales come from anyhow. With all the changes I wonder when that will be restricted too.

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WOW,

 

I did try to read every post on this forum, but....

 

I will never forget when Alamy tried to recruit me,

and told me that I could mail a CD (do you all remember

those) to London.  Two years latter I did mail a CD to

London and I am very happy that I did.  Alamy has evolved

and for the most part every step has been a step forward.

 

The "Re-Applying" for news was a small inconvenience and

no big deal.  Alamy news was more than helpful.

 

Trying to put things in perspective.  I am no longer a daily working

photographer or "Photojournalist"  I was for decades.  Alamy has

become an outlet for me shoot stories or to scan images that I wish

to put back into the market, that I feel are important to issues that are

being talked about in today's news.  Over the years I've come to trust

Alamy and while I've not met Mr. West or James A (James was the person

from Alamy that reached out to me in 2003) I do trust Alamy. 

 

As some of you know, I've been around a bit.  Alamy is my last stop

(hey Edo hear me).  Now let's all make Alamy better for all of us.

 

Lastly,  I like to edit my News Pictures, I like to read coverage of an event

to give me a better perspective of how it plays on the global stage.  The

wires put out images in minutes, Paul Fusco did not.  I would prefer for

my images to follow Paul.

 

Chuck Nacke

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Anybody had any feedback having re applied to join live news. Just curious how long the "sifting" process is going to take.

Andy 

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I'm a bit late to all this. Feel sorry for the guys and gals who've put in lots of work and effort only to be rebuffed.

Doesn't really affect me, but realise several here did well with the Live News.

 

Good luck sorting things out folks.

 

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The Bottom line is that Alamy Live News need to sell the images if they can't then everyone will lose .

 

Cheers and gone

 

Shergar

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13 hours ago, aphperspective said:

Anybody had any feedback having re applied to join live news. Just curious how long the "sifting" process is going to take.

Andy 

 

No.

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Has anyone had a reply back after re-applying? I mainly do live music and festivals and right now is the time to be applying for the festival season. I'm a little lost as to if I should apply in the hope that I get my live news uploads back or if I should wait and possibly miss a lot of festivals because I didn't apply in time.

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14 hours ago, AlbertSnapper said:

Doesn't really affect me, but realise several here did well with the Live News.

 

The ones who were/are doing well out of LiveNews were not the ones affected by the removal of upload access

 

km

 

 

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Posted (edited)

It's not the being blocked....it's the lack of finesse in the way it was done. Still miffed.

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Not very bothered about being removed, I never sold anything submitted as Live News (my local papers don't pay for pics) and anything less local would take me well over an hour before I could upload.

But in the unlikely chance I catch some Live News, where should I send them now?

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8 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Not very bothered about being removed, I never sold anything submitted as Live News (my local papers don't pay for pics) and anything less local would take me well over an hour before I could upload.

But in the unlikely chance I catch some Live News, where should I send them now?

 

email them to the Live News team???

 

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8 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Not very bothered about being removed, I never sold anything submitted as Live News (my local papers don't pay for pics) and anything less local would take me well over an hour before I could upload.

But in the unlikely chance I catch some Live News, where should I send them now?

Alamy are still in the market, try the live news team and see how it goes. Unlikely they will turn down a good picture, before these shenanigans they were always helpful.

 

James

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57 minutes ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Not very bothered about being removed, I never sold anything submitted as Live News (my local papers don't pay for pics) and anything less local would take me well over an hour before I could upload.

But in the unlikely chance I catch some Live News, where should I send them now?

 

Or maybe just e-mail the newsdesks direct. Honestly, Alamy really don't deserve the second chance saloon IMHO

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I agree. The way the situation was handled showed a lack of respect and common courtesy towards contributors. While I have never sold a live news photo until it’s gone into stock, and I can understand their wish to clean up the submission process, having the opportunity to submit in the case of something timely was always an Alamy plus, in my opinion. Occasionally, something of national or international importance happens in my university hometown, but I also spend a lot of time in large cities where it’s more likely I’ll come across something newsworthy. Alamy’s handling of this situation has left a bad taste, and I doubt I’d go to the bother of trying to connect with the helpful news team now.

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4 hours ago, Sultanpepa said:

 

No.

If you haven't heard, then I doubt you will.

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23 hours ago, Bill Brooks said:

The philosophy at this stock agency was to shift sales to the top performers, sign on new top performers, and create photographer competition within the stock agency in order to grow the business.

That might work for a specialist agency, but they would thus lose less usual images, and hence perhaps the buyers who had use for these images. That could even apply to news agencies if they culled people who lived in a particular locality, not much required for news, but something could happen there.

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1 hour ago, Sultanpepa said:

 

Or maybe just e-mail the newsdesks direct. Honestly, Alamy really don't deserve the second chance saloon IMHO

That's really how I feel. Plus keep 100%. 🙂

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2 hours ago, Mr Standfast said:

Alamy are still in the market, try the live news team and see how it goes. Unlikely they will turn down a good picture, before these shenanigans they were always helpful.

 

3 hours ago, Bigjimh71 said:

Has anyone had a reply back after re-applying? I mainly do live music and festivals and right now is the time to be applying for the festival season. I'm a little lost as to if I should apply in the hope that I get my live news uploads back or if I should wait and possibly miss a lot of festivals because I didn't apply in time.

Why don't you apply to other news agencies there are loads of them, and none can behave in as bad a way as ALAMY have.  :)

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18 minutes ago, N Quarmby said:

If you haven't heard, then I doubt you will.

 

There's a backlog of applications at the moment so response times are longer than usual. Everyone will get a reply. 

 

Apologies for the delays.

 

Alamy

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27 minutes ago, Alamy said:

 

There's a backlog of applications at the moment so response times are longer than usual. Everyone will get a reply. 

 

Apologies for the delays.

 

Alamy

With the greatest of respect to the individual manning this account today - who I fully realise probably holds no responsibility for decision making at higher levels - but a backlog of applications?  Seriously?

I presume you as an individual have read these boards and do get the extreme annoyance being expressed not so much with what has been done but with how it has been done - telling us that having lost access to live news uploads with no warning the reason there is a delay for individuals getting that access back is due to a backlog of applications is rather rubbing salt in the wound by highlighting the total lack of forethought given to a totally predictable result of stripping news uploading privileges with no warning.

Did it seriously not occur to whoever thought this up that may be a better way to do this would be to announce that access would be withdrawn in a months time and anyone wishing to keep it should apply before then so there was no risk of your contributors having news shots and nowhere to send them - or rather having to send them to your competitors

 

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1 hour ago, Cecile Marion said:

I agree. The way the situation was handled showed a lack of respect and common courtesy towards contributors. While I have never sold a live news photo until it’s gone into stock, and I can understand their wish to clean up the submission process, having the opportunity to submit in the case of something timely was always an Alamy plus, in my opinion. Occasionally, something of national or international importance happens in my university hometown, but I also spend a lot of time in large cities where it’s more likely I’ll come across something newsworthy. Alamy’s handling of this situation has left a bad taste, and I doubt I’d go to the bother of trying to connect with the helpful news team now.

 

I agree that Alamy could have handled it better, although I suspect that had they given some longer notice the dissatisfaction would not have been any less.

 

I think what you say describes very well the problem that Alamy faces. Contributors making lots of submissions by LiveNews, but never making a News sale as a result. So you have to reach the conclusion that what's being submitted aren't really newsworthy images at all. It's not Alamy that is saying that, it's the buyers of News Images. I don't think that anyone expects that every Live News submission will result in a News sale. In fact, the success rate may be fairly low, but there should be some regular successes.

 

I'm one of the contributors who still has Live News Access. I started on 6 April 2014. I was taking some photos of a friend running in the Sheffield Half Marathon, when things went badly wrong for the organisers. I think I was the only photographer who caught the action but I was just submitting Stock to Alamy at the time. I realised that the images were newsworthy, so I dashed back to my friends house and contacted Alamy. They set me up with News Access there and then (this was a Sunday afternoon), helped me with the captioning, and I uploaded the images and they appeared in the National Press the next day.

 

So while some people will be miffed that they have lost Live News Access if you get a real News story then I'm sure that Alamy will do everything they can to help a contributor get those images uploaded and out to the news desks.

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7 minutes ago, Keith Douglas said:

 

. So you have to reach the conclusion that what's being submitted aren't really newsworthy images at all.

Not when Alamy put your sub on their Twitterfeed, as they did with one of mine.

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