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I just noticed my news upload is no longer working. I just covered one of the biggest stories in American sports today, and I can't upload my images. The news upload link appears to not work.

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with a smile...had a look at recent live news,

I think Germany and France have become totally non-newsworthy,

Fortunately Italy & Spain are there to represent Europe so not a Brexit issue ;-)

Have a good Sunday all,

Eden

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22 hours ago, IanDavidson said:

There is also the issue of information/access.   The agencies get automatic access to information and events while freelancers have to fight to get on mailing lisits and then fight again to get access to events, because we are at the bottom of the feeding chain.    Thus we have to stand around for hours in Downing Street or College Green waiting while the wires turn up just in time for the appearance.  Having said that the vast majority of the wire photographers are good people and very generous with information (in my early days in Westminster news photography I used to follow camera crews around!).   So, it is not a level playing field, but that is part of the fun...

 

I agree, although I wouldn't call it 'part of the fun'. Sifting through scraps of other people's detailed schedules for cookie crumbs (a little thanks to B. here, who let's me photograph his screen with 2 pages of his editor's 'notes for the day' occasionally) isn't fun. Unless you can afford to just do it for the fun.

 

It encourages what I have always thought - that Alamy rely on hobbyists, 60+ enthusiasts, retirees and a guy in Wales with orange filters, plus a few pet owners.

 

And then wonder why they're not getting timely, high qual 'news' images. The reality is that nobody can make any "decent" living off freelance news images alone, unless they also supply some of the larger agencies and  wires on a freelance or day rate basis. Take away transportation cost, costly purchase of new field laptops every couple of years (and constant use of laptops in outdoor conditions, sitting on pavements or alternatively consuming in cafes 2-3 times a day don't do laptops any favours), software, much higher than average wear and tear (rain, cold, dust on frequent lens changes, resting on dirty surfaces, knocked about in protests and by other photographers) of 2-3 camera bodies and 4-5 lenses or more, spares, flashes, batteries and cards, wifi contract for filing, image storage devices, backpack upgrades, time to back up and update...not so cheap. All for a pittance that you are left with if you take off all those costs. Even those that are highly successful freelancers, which I am not, will have to admit that their 'salary' is laughable. Half a day of decent corporate shooting gets me more than if I had 2 front pages that day. Every day.

 

Nuff said. I did find it interesting for a while to do news as a sideline in addition to other photography work, see things like the Downing Street press machine, events. But for such little money, I'd rather invest in winning more business in other pockets of photography. As I said, it's different if you're a hobbyist or retiree and do it for the kicks.  

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I wonder if this whole process is a way of reducing the amount of less than perfect images that will end up as stock. A lot of live news images couldnt be submitted as stock images as in many instances simply wouldnt be good enough. 

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1 hour ago, Penelope B said:

I wonder if this whole process is a way of reducing the amount of less than perfect images that will end up as stock. A lot of live news images couldnt be submitted as stock images as in many instances simply wouldnt be good enough. 

 

Pen, we've all seen borderline or non news images in the live news feed, and nothing is usually done to remove them. In recent days I saw around 5 'news' images that were either grossly underexposed, with 2 that looked as if they had been shot with the lens cap on. This was after Alamy's emails were sent out removing access to live news uploads.

 

I've had my live news access removed. In the short time I've been with Alamy I've uploaded over 2000 live news images. I believe all would have passed QC for stock, I check at 200% on a retina screen.

 

I will be applying for live news access, but note that very few users of this forum that have applied have reported that they had a reply from Alamy. This doesn't take account of those not active on this forum though. I'm in the process of sorting out my portfolio and tear sheets. With reference to "Do you have breaking news images which have been taken in the past hour", has anyone said yes and had a quick response back? My dilemma would be how long to wait before sending elsewhere, was thinking 15 minutes max.

 

Now back to my decorating, I hate it, and a coffee.

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2 hours ago, Penelope B said:

I wonder if this whole process is a way of reducing the amount of less than perfect images that will end up as stock. A lot of live news images couldnt be submitted as stock images as in many instances simply wouldnt be good enough. 

If that is the case then why is the live fee still full of the same less than perfect images as you put it. :)

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1 hour ago, sb photos said:

 

Pen, we've all seen borderline or non news images in the live news feed, and nothing is usually done to remove them. In recent days I saw around 5 'news' images that were either grossly underexposed, with 2 that looked as if they had been shot with the lens cap on. This was after Alamy's emails were sent out removing access to live news uploads.

 

I've had my live news access removed. In the short time I've been with Alamy I've uploaded over 2000 live news images. I believe all would have passed QC for stock, I check at 200% on a retina screen.

 

I will be applying for live news access, but note that very few users of this forum that have applied have reported that they had a reply from Alamy. This doesn't take account of those not active on this forum though. I'm in the process of sorting out my portfolio and tear sheets. With reference to "Do you have breaking news images which have been taken in the past hour", has anyone said yes and had a quick response back? My dilemma would be how long to wait before sending elsewhere, was thinking 15 minutes max.

 

Now back to my decorating, I hate it, and a coffee.

I applied and all I got back was, " we will take all your comments on board" lolwil

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3 hours ago, imageplotter said:

a guy in Wales with orange filters

If that crack is aimed at Keith it's pretty ignorant. We shouldn't be turning on ourselves- this is Alamy's foulup, not ours.

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19 minutes ago, N Quarmby said:

If that is the case then why is the live fee still full of the same less than perfect images as you put it. :)

I wasnt being critical of anyones pictures, far from it.  ✌️

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On 05/04/2019 at 00:08, Sultanpepa said:

 

I have stated my case but I'm not holding out much hope. I fear they have already made their minds up on who stays and who goes.

 

On 05/04/2019 at 09:11, N Quarmby said:

Just wondered if you had heard anything yet?

 

This is my reply, 

 

"You haven’t done anything wrong, this email was sent across the board.

 

We’re just trying to streamline the news feed to make sure our customers receive the content they want, quickly and with all the relevant information needed to publish good news images.

 

You are welcome to apply for access to the Live News Feed, you’ll find this under the dashboard." 

 

I may not have done anything wrong but I'm not getting a chance to put anything right that er...obviously was not right. Doh 😫

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Having had a quick look at my sales, I've had only 1 image, that had an actual live news sale. 

 

In total I've not had many actual sales, but of my 2600 images, my live sales when converted to stock have given me 4 out of 5 of my general stock sales, so as I can seemingly no longer upload to live news, it strikes me it is probably no longer worth bothering? 

 

Has anyone else discovered this about their images?

Chris

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8 hours ago, Penelope B said:

I wasnt being critical of anyones pictures, far from it.  ✌️

Neither was I, it was a genuine question, as in why are there still non-news weather photographs in the Live news Feed whilst people are still locked out of Live News unable to file actual Live News images, I have three news stories now backlogged with nowhere as yet to file them, ie not weather photographs. Best wishes PS I think we got our wires crossed :)

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8 hours ago, spacecadet said:

If that crack is aimed at Keith it's pretty ignorant. We shouldn't be turning on ourselves- this is Alamy's foulup, not ours.

I agree, people should be civil, aim your frustration at ALAMY.

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8 minutes ago, ChrisC said:

Having had a quick look at my sales, I've had only 1 image, that had an actual live news sale. 

 

In total I've not had many actual sales, but of my 2600 images, my live sales when converted to stock have given me 4 out of 5 of my general stock sales, so as I can seemingly no longer upload to live news, it strikes me it is probably no longer worth bothering? 

 

Has anyone else discovered this about their images?

Chris

 

Yes, and no. Some sell as News the same day, but the success rate is low (and I'm sure it's the same for most contributors). Many are still valid stock pictures, maybe with a bit of tweaking to captions and keywords.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, N Quarmby said:

Neither was I, it was a genuine question, as in why are there still non-news weather photographs in the Live news Feed whilst people are still locked out of Live News unable to file actual Live News images, I have three news stories now backlogged with nowhere as yet to file them, ie not weather photographs. Best wishes PS I think we got our wires crossed :)

 

The guidance from Alamy doesn't exclude weather photographs, and many have pointed out on here that there is a demand for such images. There are contributors who understand what sells In that area and have made a repeated success of it, so presumably they are still submitting to Live News.

I'm sure that if you contact Alamy about your news stories they will be helpful.

 

Keith

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6 minutes ago, Keith Douglas said:

 

The guidance from Alamy doesn't exclude weather photographs, and many have pointed out on here that there is a demand for such images. There are contributors who understand what sells In that area and have made a repeated success of it, so presumably they are still submitting to Live News.

I'm sure that if you contact Alamy about your news stories they will be helpful.

 

Keith

I don't think they will, and I am not interested in asking them, I am happy to put them on my Photo Shelter page for now, I don't want to be ringing ALAMY for permission every time, not when they revoked my access. It's all left a rather unpleasant taste in my mouth and my days of handing my hard work over for 50% are over, in some ways their bad management has done me a favour. I wasn't implying that weather images weren't saleable, just not news, unless it's something unusual, like a hurricane or flood or an extreme heat event, you get my drift.

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10 hours ago, N Quarmby said:

I don't think they will, and I am not interested in asking them, 

 

I wasn't implying that weather images weren't saleable, just not news, unless it's something unusual, like a hurricane or flood or an extreme heat event, you get my drift.

1) How do you know until you find out?!

 

2) Weather images are VERY newsy and not just for extreme events. 

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Looking at the Times "News in Pictures" over the years (and they are always live news or equivalent current shots) the focus is on aesthetic appeal, or eye candy, not necessarily related to the major affairs of the day. For example there is a super Alamy shot of a dog running through waves  in today's edition. I fear that that Alamy's recent action will reduce the quantity of this type of image that is available to sell.

 

Of course many live news shots that are used are boring but necessary, e.g. the heads of politicians etc, but the usage of Live News is certainly not limited to those subjects.

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On 07/04/2019 at 09:04, imageplotter said:

Alamy rely on hobbyists, 60+ enthusiasts, retirees and a guy in Wales with orange filters

 

Don't be too hard on Wales - Alamy has some excellent professional contributors from this side of the border, including at least one with a serious European reputation, and no more orange-hued pictures than you find anywhere else. Cymru am byth!

 

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Hello, just wondering if anybody that had to reapply have been accepted yet?

 

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There are other agencies out there that take live news images, some better than others, and some paying much better than others. I've had success with some of these, but on the whole I prefer to work with Alamy,  one of the main reasons being I think the people on the news desk are friendly, responsive and supportive where ever they can be.  I was approached by 2 different agencies last week to submit to them.   In terms of are weather pictures news, then all I can say is that the papers seem to like them, so from a purely commercial perspective I'm going to carry on doing them, because if I don't someone else either from Alamy, the paper itself, or another agency is going to fill those slots. Sure, some of the pictures I take are naff and often repeat the same location or theme, on the other hand I'm really proud of some of the pictures.   I do go and cover events when I have the time but they don't seem to get the coverage.  One final comment .. by going out and getting "weather pics"  I've met some great and inspiring  people who have become friends and clients, discovered places I never knew existed,  and that continues to happen on a monthly basis.

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Got the email inviting me to re-apply but I won't be filling the form in.

 

Since 2008 I have filed 1,700 News pictures to Alamy which usually sell as stock weeks/months later. So there's nothing wrong with the images themselves but

everything I shoot, News and non-News, is processed at home so I'll never be able to get them up within 60mins - a very deliberate personal choice from the very beginning of shooting digital.

 

And anyway, what I give Alamy are alternatives to the first edit to "G", who, by the way, make sales for next day usage even though it's eventually uploaded sometimes 2-3hrs after the event.

 

So, if it's the golden hour that's affecting my News sales then I'd rather not bother - preferring instead to get the material on Alamy as fast-turnaround Stock which allows it to be in the wider marketplace much sooner than News.

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Like lots of others I have had my Live News Access revoked so at least it wasn't personal!  I've only been an occasional contributor so can understand why that might be the case but I do try and upload when I have something, that is what I consider newsworthy. My last upload was Prince Charles visiting Wigan last week and I was planning on covering his visit to the Lake District today but decided there was no point now that I have no access to Live News. I've reapplied and was hoping I'd get a reply within an hour preferably but with no recent cutting to upload (other than one that the local paper used illegally from the web)  I'm not hopeful. I''ll be looking for an alternative news upload route if anyone has any suggestions? 

 

The way this has been handled by Alamy is poor from a customer relations point of view - no notice whatsoever given as far as I can tell. You would think that following the commission debacle they'd be trying to restore their credibility among photographers but obviously not. 

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On the positive side, the photographers who were not cut out of live news should make more money.

 

If a news photographer is doing everything right, and better than others, then he/she should not have to split the money pot with others.

 

If Alamy can raise the productivity level and thereby grow the news business with fewer higher earning photographers, then there will come a time when other photographers will have a chance at news.

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