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4 hours ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Alamy curating a search for them, as apparently they do (other thread). Though how it can be worth it at these prices beats me, unless they charge a premium for the custom search. (I'm not saying they do, I have no idea.)

 

I guess they can license a lot of images on Alamy without buying a subscription, but that doesn't seem like a huge motivation.

 

I would like to see Alamy attract more microstock customers, but at better prices.  It seems NU has become a window to micro-like pricing. I opted out a few years ago.

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12 hours ago, M.Chapman said:

 

But there are also "on demand" and "other" sales which attract $1.88 (or more) each.

 

Mark

 

True though the highest is $2.85 and of course the "so called" extended license" sale which used to get $28 sadly a thing of the past though single sales do appear in the $20 to $30 range quite often

 

 

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On 13/02/2019 at 12:24, Steve F said:

Ok, ready to be shot down here, and not naming any names of agencies....! At the largest most popular microstock agency you'll be hard pressed to get more than $0.25 per picture. The new boy on the block pays better, up to ~ $3.30 and as low as $0.20 per picture, with the average around $0.99. I'll stick with Alamy thanks!

I have sold at that agency for the last 7 years, and have consistently averaged right around $1.00 USD commission per sale.   Every month there are several commissions of $25 to $35, sometimes even significantly more, which keeps the average well above the $0.38 minimum.

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48 minutes ago, Tom Reichner said:

I have sold at that agency for the last 7 years, and have consistently averaged right around $1.00 USD commission per sale.   Every month there are several commissions of $25 to $35, sometimes even significantly more, which keeps the average well above the $0.38 minimum.

I agree Tom. I have 338 images with "that" agency, just adding a few each year. My earnings (my share, not the gross) is $10, 916.81 as of today. Not a bad return on so few images.

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5 hours ago, cbimages said:

I agree Tom. I have 338 images with "that" agency, just adding a few each year. My earnings (my share, not the gross) is $10, 916.81 as of today. Not a bad return on so few images.

 

About how many years did it take you to get to that amount?

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1 hour ago, John Mitchell said:

 

About how many years did it take you to get to that amount?

About 10 years John. But please realise that the early years only had a few images. I think I added about 50 the first 18 months or so, and trickled a few on from time to time since then.

If I counted my share of $$ from all of "those" sites, that have the same images, it's a tad under $27,000. Plus they often get licenced on Alamy as well, I've not counted that income of course. 

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As long as photographers will sell their images for peanuts on MS websites, or even give them for free on others, there is no way for the prices to rise up again.

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No, on a per-sale basis Alamy is not quite microstock.

 

However, the industry is dominated by the big one that rhymes with Jetty, which had essentially become microstock. I quite often get sales for which my share is <$0.10 (big Jetty via an aggregator). I believe I recently got several for which my share was $0.01. Talk about depressing sales.

 

On the PIPY basis the big Jetty still beats Alamy heads down. So is the leading microstock subscription site.

 

Interesting times we live in.

 

GI

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41 minutes ago, giphotostock said:

No, on a per-sale basis Alamy is not quite microstock.

 

However, the industry is dominated by the big one that rhymes with Jetty, which had essentially become microstock. I quite often get sales for which my share is <$0.10 (big Jetty via an aggregator). I believe I recently got several for which my share was $0.01. Talk about depressing sales.

 

On the PIPY basis the big Jetty still beats Alamy heads down. So is the leading microstock subscription site.

 

Interesting times we live in.

 

GI

 

I thought such ridiculously low prices were to be expected on their EyeShock platform only, but not for their Jetty collection.

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3 hours ago, Olivier Parent said:

 

I thought such ridiculously low prices were to be expected on their EyeShock platform only, but not for their Jetty collection.

Three low value scenarios are all via G, not iS:

1. Connect: tiny fractions of a cent on a pay-per-view deal with certain buyers. Generally we don't see this as it has to aggregate to 0.01c in a month

2. Very small cents sales are limited-time, sometimes literally four hours on the web (effectively RM). That seems to be monitored, as I've never personally managed to 'catch' one of my files licensed that way, but not otherwise, online. Nor have I read of anyone else having caught out a buyer this way. Of course, it's not really possible to check files which have other sales, which most have ...

3. Small cents sales are 'premium access', which seems to mean that buyers pay a premium to buy files cheaply over G and iS, and we only share part of the low price sale (though that's not what their t&c say, maybe these buyers are buying so many thousands of files that our share of the premium, as divvied between all the sales, is seriously minute). Occasionally, these sales are for large values.

IIRC, The lowest direct iS sale is a sub. But of course, G want to sell as much as possible via G, as they cream off more of our money that way (e.g. I get 30% via iS but 20% via G).

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2 hours ago, Cryptoprocta said:

Three low value scenarios are all via G, not iS:

1. Connect: tiny fractions of a cent on a pay-per-view deal with certain buyers. Generally we don't see this as it has to aggregate to 0.01c in a month

2. Very small cents sales are limited-time, sometimes literally four hours on the web (effectively RM). That seems to be monitored, as I've never personally managed to 'catch' one of my files licensed that way, but not otherwise, online. Nor have I read of anyone else having caught out a buyer this way. Of course, it's not really possible to check files which have other sales, which most have ...

3. Small cents sales are 'premium access', which seems to mean that buyers pay a premium to buy files cheaply over G and iS, and we only share part of the low price sale (though that's not what their t&c say, maybe these buyers are buying so many thousands of files that our share of the premium, as divvied between all the sales, is seriously minute). Occasionally, these sales are for large values.

IIRC, The lowest direct iS sale is a sub. But of course, G want to sell as much as possible via G, as they cream off more of our money that way (e.g. I get 30% via iS but 20% via G).

 

I don't submit to IS, but with the abominable-snowman's "main" mob I get 30% for my exclusive-to-abominable-snowman RM images' licenses, and 20% only for RF images. So of course RF get priority on their website, and submissions are often under pressure to become RF, not the (by me) stipulated RM. Needless to say, I argue for RM status wherever possible.

 

And yes, as with all of us there, I too get the micro fractions as you describe above, but to be fair, that's nowhere near the whole picture . . . quite frequently . . . well, let's just say that quite frequently I see licenses that keep my images there and leave me more than happy for folks to call it what they like 😉

 

DD

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Country: Worldwide
Usage: Student Projects, For non-commercial use in projects such as dissertations, presentations or essays.
Industry sector: Education
Image Size: Any size
Start: 04 March 2019
Duration: In perpetuity

 

My first Student Project  by nearly a $. Is this a new usage? even much lower than a PU?

Can I opt out to sell my images for Student Projects?

 

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I tried to read a bit of this CultureTrip guff. Main points seem to be friendly dogs at the door and rather a lot of staff with doctorates. But I'm not at all clear what they are selling. A lot of the characters seem very heavy with the make-up, maybe that's their strongest line? I've got a very friendly dog at the door but she doesn't seem to be pulling in the sales. Oh, and  I don't have a doctorate. My Dad did, but he wasn't selling anything. Neither of us seem to have got things figured quite right

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1 hour ago, Robert M Estall said:

I tried to read a bit of this CultureTrip guff. Main points seem to be friendly dogs at the door and rather a lot of staff with doctorates. But I'm not at all clear what they are selling. A lot of the characters seem very heavy with the make-up, maybe that's their strongest line? I've got a very friendly dog at the door but she doesn't seem to be pulling in the sales. Oh, and  I don't have a doctorate. My Dad did, but he wasn't selling anything. Neither of us seem to have got things figured quite right

I apologize, Robert; I have no idea what you are talking about, but  I really want to know what you are saying.  Would you be so kind as to re-write your post, but to do so in a way that a layperson could understand?  

 

Specifically, the things you wrote that I don't understand (or understand what they have to do with stock agency image sales) are:

the expression "dog at the door"

Culture Trip guff

"characters" .... "heavy with makeup" (perhaps you are talking about models?)

doctorates, and how they might be connected to what we are discussing here

 

Thank you

 

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it was being suggested that the customer for these many $1.25 sales was  https://theculturetrip.com/about-us/

 

My comments were after trying to read the stuff on that site. I clearly wasn't the only one found the text hard to follow. But lots of corporate speak is like that! And why indeed did they think describing friendly dogs at the doors to their offices was worth mentioning?

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Looked at The Culture Trip website.  A number of travel and retirement sites get people writing for them for free or low dollars (one friend wrote an article on his retirement town for International Living and was paid something like $70).  They are always upbeat and simply ignore  countries that have current major problems (apparently from a report by two Estonians tourist I met in Jinotega, Nicaragua, today, tourism in Honduras is down considerably in even secure sites like Copan Ruines). Tourism in Nicaragua collapsed following the US giving the country "Reconsider Travel Plans" rating, and the country has been dropped from International Living promotions.   The money is in the ads, harvesting emails, and kickbacks from rentals and real estate sales.  Nice that they are paying anything -- lots of these sorts of things rip off text and photos from web forums and social media.

 

The Costa Rican expats call the whole thing "selling rainbows and unicorns."    The friend who wrote for International Living saw them change "shacks on the hillsides" to "cabins on the hillsides."

 

The only way these sites can make money is to paint as delightful a picture of foreign travel as possible to get advertising and referral fees.  

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In answer to the title question: maybe. I've had four sales this month, which is unheard of (for me!) in only six days, two of them weekend days, but all under $12 gross.

 

Also, it's only just occurred to me that UKNS sales are considerably cheaper than extended/enhanced licences on the two main micros for publications of over 500k circulation (but of course that's excluding any special deals which might be possible there).

 

Changes seem to be afoot, unless my sales are just random coincidence. We'll see what happens. But certainly as prices go down, Alamy needs to attract a lot of new buyers.

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The strict definition (at least for me) of a micro site is one that offers a subscription service.

 

Alamy appeared to be heading in that direction, not sure what happened to that plan. 

 

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On 05/03/2019 at 14:08, Olivier Parent said:

As long as photographers will sell their images for peanuts on MS websites, or even give them for free on others, there is no way for the prices to rise up again.

 

By my reckoning, gleaned from irregular sorties into the forum over many years, this used to be the predominant sentiment here. Of late many appear to have abandoned it in favour of the lure of multiple peanuts elsewhere.

 

Perhaps it's just me, but it seems that hopes of rising prices here are in danger of being stymied by the planned movement of portfolios to, or replication on, certain MS sites.

 

DD

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3 hours ago, Brasilnut said:

The strict definition (at least for me) of a micro site is one that offers a subscription service.

 

Alamy appeared to be heading in that direction, not sure what happened to that plan. 

 

 

Hopefully they came to their senses and realized that going down that road would be self-destructive.

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3 hours ago, Brasilnut said:

The strict definition (at least for me) of a micro site is one that offers a subscription service.

That's because you're a new kid on the block.

The first micro site had no subs until relatively recently. The first subs site started to undercut the first.

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4 hours ago, dustydingo said:

 

By my reckoning, gleaned from irregular sorties into the forum over many years, this used to be the predominant sentiment here. Of late many appear to have abandoned it in favour of the lure of multiple peanuts elsewhere.

 

Perhaps it's just me, but it seems that hopes of rising prices here are in danger of being stymied by the planned movement of portfolios to, or replication on, certain MS sites.

 

DD

 

No, it's not just you. It seems to me that a bigger danger than Alamy becoming a microstock site is the micros becoming more like Alamy. Personally, if I were going to experiment with microstock, I'd create a separate portfolio with different images than the ones I have here. That makes more sense to me than duplication. Contributors are of course free to do whatever they think best with their work. 

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On 05/03/2019 at 03:59, Olivier Parent said:

 

I thought such ridiculously low prices were to be expected on their EyeShock platform only, but not for their Jetty collection.

 

Nope, here is what a friend, who is moving all of his JETTY exclusive rf over to exclusive Alamy rf, said to me recently.

 

"Bill (J)ETTY is exclusive rf Images and pays 20 shitty percent on a sale but there is so much subscription clients that sales are like a buck 20. It’s sickening." 

 

It seems that we are in the midst of a great migration.

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9 minutes ago, Bill Brooks said:

 

It seems that we are in the midst of a great migration.

 

In all directions by the sounds of it.

 

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