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It's official- 50% for exclusive - (JW response video to commission change)

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5 minutes ago, NYCat said:

Thanks for this. I did it much more awkwardly in the thread Commission Change announced in email. Perhaps we should all try to stay on this thread. I did email Alamy about Fine Art America and will let you know what they said.

 

Paulette

 

The way I read it, the definition of "exclusive" excludes images on the contributors own website or prints sales.  Images on FAA for print sales but not licensing should be OK.

 

Clarence

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42 minutes ago, CHP said:

 

The way I read it, the definition of "exclusive" excludes images on the contributors own website or prints sales.  Images on FAA for print sales but not licensing should be OK.

 

Clarence

 

I agree but I emailed them just to be absolutely certain. 

 

Paulette

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47 minutes ago, CHP said:

 

The way I read it, the definition of "exclusive" excludes images on the contributors own website or prints sales.  Images on FAA for print sales but not licensing should be OK.

 

Clarence

 

I agree.

that's certainly how I interpret it . . . well, that's what it says after all :) . . . although I have asked Alamy to verify that interpretation, just in case :ph34r:

EDIT: oops, I should have added NYCat's post above to my response . . . sorry Paulette ;)

DD

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The commission share problem has been resolved,

so we need to resolve another recurring problem. Just tell, Alamy needs to start seriously fix their credit control system.

Clear the long wait balance by paying our previous sales. Months, even to year is not acceptable and not worth for the sales we get.

 

The bigger amounts of Alamy uncleared balance is not just as good as pennies in microstock.

I hope Alamy will not abandon our trust that we build until now.

Thanks

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Indeed... I have far more time spend waiting on money than getting money. Right now, I am 19 cents low of getting paid, but am 7 dollar over the pay out amount, yet it has not been cleared. And that takes till a buyer  paying, which can easily take another two months. We truly get the short end of the stick in everything. I bet all those unpaid pennies or thousands of dollars bring in good intrest for Alamy... 

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35 minutes ago, photocatseyes said:

 I bet all those unpaid pennies or thousands of dollars bring in good intrest for Alamy... 

Er, you haven't been paid because Alamy hasn't been paid. How can Alamy earn interest on money it hasn't been paid?

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If the customer pays in the beginning of the month and the pay out date is the next month as they only have one pay out date in the month. That whole month is intrest for Alamy. Might not be much if the amount is 50 dollar, but if you take all those small payments in the big pool, it amounts to a big sum. If the customer paid but you are not at $50, for beginning and low selling photographers, it can take months before the cleared funds do get paid... 

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11 minutes ago, spacecadet said:

Er, you haven't been paid because Alamy hasn't been paid. How can Alamy earn interest on money it hasn't been paid?

Er, not quite. Alamy have as the OP says $49.81 (i.e. 19 cents short of the threshold) this amount has been cleared and could have been cleared for a long time.

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14 minutes ago, photocatseyes said:

If the customer pays in the beginning of the month and the pay out date is the next month as they only have one pay out date in the month. That whole month is intrest for Alamy. Might not be much if the amount is 50 dollar, but if you take all those small payments in the big pool, it amounts to a big sum. If the customer paid but you are not at $50, for beginning and low selling photographers, it can take months before the cleared funds do get paid... 

 

6 minutes ago, Russell said:

Er, not quite. Alamy have as the OP says $49.81 (i.e. 19 cents short of the threshold) this amount has been cleared and could have been cleared for a long time.

 

so, moving beyond complaining, what are you suggesting? Lowering the threshold for payment to . . . what? No matter where you set it, someone is going to be stuck just short sometimes, necessitating a sometimes very long wait until they have another image licensed . . . unless you are advocating no threshold? Or perhaps everyone being paid immediately an image has been licensed?

 

On the highly frustrating subject of waiting for payment to be cleared, it's been mentioned here in the past, to save we contributors from much gnashing of teeth or facsimile, Alamy could simply revert to the practise of some very, very big agencies and only report a sale after they (Alamy) have received payment (aka the payment has been cleared). Doesn't address the payment threshold, but certainly removes our frustration of having a sale reported but waiting sometimes ages for it to be cleared. Of course, the nett effect is exactly the same as far as just when that sale is "cleared" for payment, but we'll be less stressed in our ignorance . . . or so that particular theory goes. Not sure I agree, but there you go . . .

DD

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@dustydingo I don't have a clear cut answer, all your points are very valid. The problem is bigger for small sellers. I can imagine that if one is a big and regular seller  the problem not really arises as those probably do have monthly payouts. I think regular is the keyword. 

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31 minutes ago, Russell said:

Er, not quite. Alamy have as the OP says $49.81 (i.e. 19 cents short of the threshold) this amount has been cleared and could have been cleared for a long time.

Fair enough. But OP agreed to the $50 threshold as part of the contract. Interest rates on deposits are pretty derisory. Under-threshold payments are still a liability and interest receivable in the most recent accounts is under £80000.

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1 hour ago, dustydingo said:

 

 

so, moving beyond complaining, what are you suggesting? Lowering the threshold for payment to . . . what? No matter where you set it, someone is going to be stuck just short sometimes, necessitating a sometimes very long wait until they have another image licensed . . . unless you are advocating no threshold? Or perhaps everyone being paid immediately an image has been licensed?

 

On the highly frustrating subject of waiting for payment to be cleared, it's been mentioned here in the past, to save we contributors from much gnashing of teeth or facsimile, Alamy could simply revert to the practise of some very, very big agencies and only report a sale after they (Alamy) have received payment (aka the payment has been cleared). Doesn't address the payment threshold, but certainly removes our frustration of having a sale reported but waiting sometimes ages for it to be cleared. Of course, the nett effect is exactly the same as far as just when that sale is "cleared" for payment, but we'll be less stressed in our ignorance . . . or so that particular theory goes. Not sure I agree, but there you go . . .

DD

I'd rather know as soon as a sale is made. That way I can do a reverse image search straight away to find out any infringements. I've found them a couple of times - people copying images from newspaper articles to their blogs or using them on Facebook.

If somebody is only earning $50 every 2 or 3 months, then I really don't think that a contributor just missing the $50 threshold should be on the list of priority items that Alamy needs to address. The answer is for the contributor to submit more quality images and make more regular sales!

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Just as a matter of interest how many other businesses do people know of that willingly and without protest allow themselves to go unpaid for products services for the lengths of time Alamy does?  In the UK there is specific legislation against prolonged late payment, allowing the claimant to not only get their fee but also claim interest and costs - why would Alamy not make use of this to ensure that all customers pay up promptly - Alamy gets paid contributor gets paid.

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1 hour ago, Starsphinx said:

Just as a matter of interest how many other businesses do people know of that willingly and without protest allow themselves to go unpaid for products services for the lengths of time Alamy does?  In the UK there is specific legislation against prolonged late payment, allowing the claimant to not only get their fee but also claim interest and costs - why would Alamy not make use of this to ensure that all customers pay up promptly - Alamy gets paid contributor gets paid.

I'm sure that they do chase up customers. But they aren't going to spend tens or hundreds or thousands of dollars on admin costs/ legal fees etc. to accelerate the payment of a fee that's tens of $ or less.

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14 minutes ago, Keith Douglas said:

I'm sure that they do chase up customers. But they aren't going to spend tens or hundreds or thousands of dollars on admin costs/ legal fees etc. to accelerate the payment of a fee that's tens of $ or less.

But that is my point - they are UK based and the UK has legislation that gives them the power to chase late payers get their money plus interest plus costs - so chasing late payers will not cost Alamy.

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2 hours ago, Starsphinx said:

Just as a matter of interest how many other businesses do people know of that willingly and without protest allow themselves to go unpaid for products services for the lengths of time Alamy does?  In the UK there is specific legislation against prolonged late payment, allowing the claimant to not only get their fee but also claim interest and costs - why would Alamy not make use of this to ensure that all customers pay up promptly - Alamy gets paid contributor gets paid.

Presumably because, whether we like it or not, they don't want to chase away customers to the micros.

Nevertheless, it's wrong not to charge the higher rate which should have been paid originally, or there is NO incentive for honest reporting.

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10 hours ago, Starsphinx said:

But that is my point - they are UK based and the UK has legislation that gives them the power to chase late payers get their money plus interest plus costs - so chasing late payers will not cost Alamy.

 

In my experience the slowest payments tend to come from the overseas distributors where the rules may not be the same. Chasing payment always costs in time and admin.

 

Yes it's a pain, but the fees in general per image sold are higher than elsewhere.

 

Mark

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I emailed James West to question the definition of 'Exclusive' as the wording in the contract was not as detailed as his description in his video and had the following response. 

 

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Thanks for you note for pointing out the discrepancy. The 50% rate allows you to sell direct to your customers by any means. We will review the contract wording but please take this email as confirmation of the broader definition in the meantime.

 

Best wishes

James

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I upload all my pictures exlusively to Alamy.

Once again, its the best and the only Stock website I like to work with.

50/50 is a good deal for me.

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9 hours ago, orest said:

50/50 is a good deal for me.

 

50/50 IS a good deal. What is NOT a good deal is if we get half of $5 dollars, or half of $1.65... And waiting a year to get to $50 since it needs to be cleared is far from a good deal... 

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