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Same to you, Phil! And to you all.

 

I've had an average month for sales and prices. :)

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3 minutes ago, gardenbush said:

Hey Starsphinx - I agree with you - Ihave under 600 images and have 10 sales in total but 6 this year !!! :-)  I'm inspired to increase my images in 2019...best part of your post? 'remember why you love taking pictures' - well said :-)

Well, I only ramped up my photography to go part-time professional in summer - and outside of Alamy, I have just cleared over £100 this month off my own site where I do photos of football matches.  Things are going a lot better than planned or expected (which makes me as nervous as a cat lol)

I get that for many who have been doing this a while prices are dropping and orders might be getting less frequent - but as a newcomer, I think I see it with a slightly different perspective.  I don't think the market is dying I think it is just shifting somewhat. 

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24 minutes ago, Starsphinx said:

  I don't think the market is dying I think it is just shifting somewhat. 

 

It may not be dying for those hobbyists who still love doing what they do, and do not the count costs, both financial and time spent, against what they earn at this. 

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2 minutes ago, andremichel said:

 

It may not be dying for those hobbyists who still love doing what they do, and do not the count costs, both financial and time spent, against what they earn at this. 

I am not a hobbyist.  I am part time because I have health issues - self-employment is the only option I have open.
OK I do not expect to make enough to pay a mortgage - my aim for 2 years is a total of £200 to £400 a month from all photography (and as I said above I have just made over £100 this month from my own site) - but then again I do not expect to be working anywhere near full time either.  If I was able to work full time I have seen no reason why I would not be able to create a livable income - not all off Alamy sure but I do not have all my eggs in that basket anyway. 

Maybe it is because I have spent rather a long time on next to no money, that what others sneeze at seems a just reward.  From where I am sat my ambitions seem achievable.   I see a market in flux - so I just try to meet it.

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When I look along the racks of monthly magazines and then add an unknown number of in-house magazines plus newspapers, the total number of images required per month is staggering.

Add to this, books and TV.

I wonder what percentage of these images are licensed by Alamy?

 

I don't think the market is drying up - perhaps just spread out among more agencies perhaps.

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5 hours ago, andremichel said:

 

It may not be dying for those hobbyists who still love doing what they do, and do not the count costs, both financial and time spent, against what they earn at this. 

 

I don't really understand why you had to make this comment.....There are always costs and whether you're well off, or a pensioner or other ....you still consider the costs...If you are a professional (as i have been ) then you have to work harder if your chosen income market is drying up....or find other markets....Do you resent hobbyists or part timers taking a slice of the pie?.....just saying:)

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5 hours ago, John Walker said:

When I look along the racks of monthly magazines and then add an unknown number of in-house magazines plus newspapers, the total number of images required per month is staggering.

Add to this, books and TV.

I wonder what percentage of these images are licensed by Alamy?

 

I don't think the market is drying up - perhaps just spread out among more agencies perhaps.

 

I don't think the market is drying up and more and more pictures are being used but supply outstrips demand and the image buyers know this. Many magazines now use subscription models and also trawl the free sources like wikimedia. This has not been helped by the likes of Alamy driving prices down by trying to compete with the Micros by offering micro prices for volume deals with large magazine groups-this is only advantageous to Alamy and the buyer.

Whilst the hobbyist and the person who wants to get back some of the capital they have spent or those who get satisfaction from knowing their picture has a value to somebody then its fine. However for the professional prices of less than 10 dollars a pop for very generous rights don't even cover the expenses let alone the time unless they are produced as a spin off from commissioned work.

 

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15 hours ago, John Mitchell said:

 

So contributors should not post images that have licensed or discuss how things are going for them because that would be bragging?

Not at all. It was in context to the replies I had regarding my lack of sales this month. It seemed a bit conceited and smug reading between the lines.  

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, William Caram said:

 

I don't really understand why you had to make this comment.....There are always costs and whether you're well off, or a pensioner or other ....you still consider the costs...If you are a professional (as i have been ) then you have to work harder if your chosen income market is drying up....or find other markets....Do you resent hobbyists or part timers taking a slice of the pie?.....just saying:)

If you make a comment I do not agree with then I have every right to respond.

 

Costs have a different meaning for many hobbyists when compared to those trying to run a business and make a living out of it. 

I think stock photography is dying for those who want to make any sort of business sense out of it. I am not a professional stock shooter because I can't make the sums add up.

 

I could do it full time today, but do not see the point in investing all my time and money in stock in 2018 for the tiny compensation I can expect. For me and my abilities it's a loss maker. 

 

A small number of pros still can make it work and they are to be admired. But I expect they are getting fewer everyday. 

 

Have you really been a true stock photography professional making 100% of your living out of stock? Can you do it now? 

 

I do not resent hobbyists getting a slice of the pie, as I am one of them. I am just saying that today as things stand, it only really works for those who ignore costs or do not see them as costs as they are having fun doing it. 

 

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14 hours ago, Starsphinx said:

I am not a hobbyist.  I am part time because I have health issues - self-employment is the only option I have open.
OK I do not expect to make enough to pay a mortgage - my aim for 2 years is a total of £200 to £400 a month from all photography (and as I said above I have just made over £100 this month from my own site) - but then again I do not expect to be working anywhere near full time either.  If I was able to work full time I have seen no reason why I would not be able to create a livable income - not all off Alamy sure but I do not have all my eggs in that basket anyway. 

Maybe it is because I have spent rather a long time on next to no money, that what others sneeze at seems a just reward.  From where I am sat my ambitions seem achievable.   I see a market in flux - so I just try to meet it.

 

I won't pretend to know what you are capable of. Maybe you are one of the tiny percentage who can still make it work. 

 

On Alamy I have sold 224 photos this year from 10700 images online, it is better than the majority of contributors on Alamy, but that still just produces a small top up to my other income. For me the sums do not add up and not worth investing the time and money to grow my port significantly. 

 

As far as I can tell there is only one forum contributor who is really making a good full time living today from stock photography and he has 125,000 images and has extraordinary energy loading 5000 or more new images a year across several libraries.

 

Another very well known contributor on this forum, licences 1000 photos per year from 55,000 images and has the impressive ability to do this with minimal costs. He is considered one of Alamy's star contributors, yet I would class him as a part time stock shooter supplementing his other photography work. So even a star performer with 1000 images licensed per year, produces a part time income well below the national average salary. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Marb said:

Not at all. It was in context to the replies I had regarding my lack of sales this month. It seemed a bit conceited and smug reading between the lines.  

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately your original comment “This is fast turning into a boasting and bragging  thread. :o Only kidding. Well at least some are getting success. Good for you.”

 

seemed petulant and grudging to me......reading between the lines.....or it could have been jokey and approving. Forums are notoriously difficult places to navigate if you’re not careful about what you say and avoid making emotional interpretations of what others say.

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5 hours ago, Marb said:

Not at all. It was in context to the replies I had regarding my lack of sales this month. It seemed a bit conceited and smug reading between the lines. 

But we need to think, "if others are getting sales and I'm not, what am I doing wrong (or not doing right)?"

We can't all do anything about that, particularly if location is involved; but it's worth considering.

If you only want people who are having a bad month to reply, then your only conclusion would be, "nothing is selling on this site this month. It's the site's fault, not mine". Which is comfortable, but not ultimately helpful.

Knowing that other people are selling is actually more helpful, if less comfortable.

Trust me, I'm talking to myself as much as to you. I have come to a decision about how I'm going to proceed, but it's just another trial (like my experiment in uploading only to Alamy and FAA was).  I have no evidence that my future stategy will be the correct one (for me). There are so many variables, and changes coming so thick and fast and we can't know in advance what they'll be or how they will affect us.

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31 minutes ago, Sally said:

Unfortunately your original comment “This is fast turning into a boasting and bragging  thread. :o Only kidding. Well at least some are getting success. Good for you.”

 

seemed petulant and grudging to me......reading between the lines.....or it could have been jokey and approving. Forums are notoriously difficult places to navigate if you’re not careful about what you say and avoid making emotional interpretations of what others say.

 

I agree Sally and it is not like each post here is taken in isolation. We all have our distinct forum personalities and ways of communicating and like it or not we do form distinct impressions of each other over time. So in judging what is intended in a single post, past form is certainly going to be taken into account, consciously or not. If someone tends to complain a lot and doesn't take other members' comments on board at all, then that person is going to develop a certain reputation. So it is not so much a matter of reading between the lines as reading previous posts. 

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11 hours ago, andremichel said:

If you make a comment I do not agree with then I have every right to respond.

 

Costs have a different meaning for many hobbyists when compared to those trying to run a business and make a living out of it. 

I think stock photography is dying for those who want to make any sort of business sense out of it. I am not a professional stock shooter because I can't make the sums add up.

 

I could do it full time today, but do not see the point in investing all my time and money in stock in 2018 for the tiny compensation I can expect. For me and my abilities it's a loss maker. 

 

A small number of pros still can make it work and they are to be admired. But I expect they are getting fewer everyday. 

 

Have you really been a true stock photography professional making 100% of your living out of stock? Can you do it now? 

 

I do not resent hobbyists getting a slice of the pie, as I am one of them. I am just saying that today as things stand, it only really works for those who ignore costs or do not see them as costs as they are having fun doing it. 

 

 

 

Good on you Andrew...and i do like your portfolio, and you deserve the success from your talent and effort....Every photographer here has choices...We all want the same thing to be rewarded with sales for our efforts....We all have varying degrees of talent, and we all have reasons that motivate us to shoot stock...but in the end we still have the choice to do it or not..

I hope that things improve for us all in 2019...in whatever we choose to do...The business of Stock Photography rolls on and is ever changing, i personally will endeavour to allocate more time to my hobby...But collectively we just have to do the best we can, and i do feel for working professional that needs to live off their chosen profession...

Best Wishes to ALL in 2019 

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I am level pegging with the number of Alamy images licensed last year.  So just one more sale on the 31st and I will still have an increasing sales graph.  Revenue similar too.  So fingers crossed.

 

John

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54 minutes ago, John Walker said:

I am level pegging with the number of Alamy images licensed last year.  So just one more sale on the 31st and I will still have an increasing sales graph.  Revenue similar too.  So fingers crossed.

 

John

Yes, this year is up on last year. Despite one disappointing month (this one) I am just five sales short of a big round number. I had one today (Sunday!) so fingers crossed for a last minute rush tomorrow........

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