riccarbi Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Quote Searching for Alamy images using Google never counted as part of the views reported in Alamy Measures anyway... so Google makes no difference. It makes no difference, directly. Yet, if you click on that picture in Google's image SERP, Google redirects the user to Alamy; therefore, it drives traffic to an Alamy page with a lot of internal links to your profile, similar images, tags, and so on and, consequently, it increases views and, possibly, zooms and purchases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelG Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, Marb said: I really don't think keywording is that important. I have done searches here and some of the first few images that appear on the first page have very very few keywords. to some extend yes but as Niels Quist mentioned you could be missing out on potential exposure. If its not spamming there is no harm having more then ten... If i have the keywords I`ll add them in if not I move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Just now, riccarbi said: It makes no difference, directly. Yet, if you click on that picture in Google's image SERP, it redirects the user to Alamy; therefore, it. drives traffic to Alamy and, consequently, increases views and, possibly, zooms. But only activities of certain customers, who would have to log into the Alamy site, will be recorded as views/zooms. If you or I find an image via Google which redirects us to Alamy, we can click around and look at as many images as we like, and it will make no difference to recorded views/zooms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Marb said: I really don't think keywording is that important. And then you complain about lack of sales..... km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marb Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, RedSnapper said: And then you complain about lack of sales..... km And I have found images that come top in the search with around 5 keywords at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Marb said: I really don't think keywording is that important. I have done searches here and some of the first few images that appear on the first page have very very few keywords. For several months, captions have been trumping keywords. I've seen (old) files at the top of large searches with no keywords at all (also some heavy Live News suppliers don't go back and keyword, but they may have a high ranking because of good Live News sales), but that could change at any time to keywords trumping captions (but maybe ranking by Live News sales will trump that, or maybe not. We can't know). All we can do is caption well, keyword well, and hope that the 'combining any keyword and any word in the caption' thing doesn't affect us too badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riccarbi Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Quote But only activities of certain customers, who would have to log into the Alamy site, will be recorded as views/zooms. If you or I find an image via Google which redirects us to Alamy, we can click around and look at as many images as we like, and it will make no difference to recorded views/zooms. That's an interesting point, Obviously, I was talking about logged-in users. But, along with being an amateur photographer, I am also a publisher and I know how I personally look for an image with a specific subject on the Internet. I have two choices: To visit each of the three or four stock photo sites I use more frequently one by one and make a search for a number of specific terms OR To make an advanced search on Google images for those specific terms, restricting the results to those stock photo websites. If I find what I'm looking for, I log in and (possibly) buy the picture. Not to mention that the second option is less accurate but much quicker. So, Google actually is a source of (recorded) clicks and zooms on Alamy, at least in my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, riccarbi said: That's an interesting point, Obviously, I was talking about logged-in users. But, along with being an amateur photographer, I am also a publisher and I know how I personally look for an image with a specific subject on the Internet. I have two choices: To visit each of the three of four stock photo sites I use more frequently one by one and make a search for a number of specific terms OR Make an advanced search on Google images for those specific terms, restricting the results to the those 3 or 4 stock photo websites. If I find what I'm looking for, I log in and buy the picture. So, Google actually is a source of (recorded) clicks and zooms on Alamy, at least in my case. If you are a source of recorded views and zooms, please feel free to have a browse of my portfoilo (with or without Google) and zoom a few there. . I'll be happy to report tomorrow if your browsing produced any zoom results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, riccarbi said: That's an interesting point, Obviously, I was talking about logged-in users. But, along with being an amateur photographer, I am also a publisher and I know how I personally look for an image with a specific subject on the Internet. I have two choices: To visit each of the three or four stock photo sites I use more frequently one by one and make a search for a number of specific terms OR Make an advanced search on Google images for those specific terms, restricting the results to those stock photo websites. If I find what I'm looking for, I log in and buy the picture. So, Google actually is a source of (recorded) clicks and zooms on Alamy, at least in my case. I'm guessing that you would probably only log into Alamy once you've found an image that you want to buy. By this point in time, the 'viewing' and 'zooming' is already done. Once logged in, if you do further searches using Alamy's own search tools, then your activities would be recorded as views/zooms. And I think this is my point.. the views and zooms that you see in the Alamy metrics are potenitally just the tip of the iceberg.. you do not see the views form people that found an image using Google. And you do not see the views of people that didn't log in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Could it be that clients just leave because the pages are sometimes not loading at all or very slow? Or is that just at my end? wim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels Quist Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Could it be that clients just leave because the pages are sometimes not loading at all or very slow? Or is that just at my end? wim I thought it was only my end. Very slow indeed. Could very well be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeRay Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Could it be that clients just leave because the pages are sometimes not loading at all or very slow? Or is that just at my end? wim I too thought it was just me. Very slow at times over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, ReeRay said: I too thought it was just me. Very slow at times over here. Me 4: very often many/most images on a page don't load, and I was assuming it was my connection (though it's OK on other image-rich sites). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskerke Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Niels Quist said: I thought it was only my end. Very slow indeed. Could very well be so. 14 minutes ago, ReeRay said: I too thought it was just me. Very slow at times over here. Any more reports? My searches were Helsinki related. From time to time images just didn't load at all. The three small blue blocks just went on and on. wim edit: sending email to contributor relations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Any more reports? My searches were Helsinki related. From time to time images just didn't load at all. The three small blue blocks just went on and on. wim edit: sending email to contributor relations Yes, I've found that the missing images don't load even after several refreshes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I'm not having any issues here, and my home wifi isn't particularly strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 That said, my views are normal, but after several very good (for me) weeks for zooms, this week I have one zoom for the week. Still no notified sales this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 52 minutes ago, wiskerke said: Could it be that clients just leave because the pages are sometimes not loading at all or very slow? Or is that just at my end? wim Very slow for me too and I have super fast broadband here. I'd get fed up and go elsewhere if I was a busy picture researcher with the way it is at the moment. Pearl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 If search results are slow to come up it may be worth a thread of its own to discuss. I'm in the UK with a fast Virgin Media broadband and I can detect a momentary hiatus in the search results displaying which I don't recall noticing before. However, it is only momentary and not really significant to the extent of putting off potential customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Marb said: And I have found images that come top in the search with around 5 keywords at most. It’s possible that those images are at the top despite having only a few tags because the contributor has a very high AlamyRank. You won’t have high rank being a relatively new contributor with few sales, so a lack of relevant tags would undoubtedly harm your searches and zooms and sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin Rogozinski Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Has Creative always been default search on Alamy? Looks like it is now and in many cases give unrepresentative images when different to Relevant search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Ashmore Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Marcin Rogozinski said: Has Creative always been default search on Alamy? Looks like it is now and in many cases give unrepresentative images when different to Relevant search. Yes, it's always been default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcin Rogozinski Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said: Yes, it's always been default. Ok, thanks Matt. Someone already mentioned here that both searches used to be the same. Now they sometimes differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sultanpepa Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 How can my Pseudo summary report total views of 4 images when I myself have 5 and there's a total of 61 on Alamy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptoprocta Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 58 minutes ago, Matt Ashmore said: Yes, it's always been default. Which is truly inexplicable. Relevant should be the default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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