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Property rights in Australia - filling in property field in photo submissions

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I spent many hours taking some amazing photos of the new hospital buildings, then realized that they may not be usable.

There are extensive car parks surrounding the buildings night and day. So, the buildings can not be photographed without including scores of motor vehicles, unless I photograph only the tops of the buildings.

Am I right in thinking that this situation prevents me submitting photographs of the new buildings, or is it like crowd scenes where a release is not needed because the subject of the photograph is not the people?

I've spent hours on Lightroom cleaning up the edges of the photos, and had started blurring the visible number plates on the cars, when I started to wonder if that would be enough.

Ian McAllister

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I would think you’d need to list these as RM anyway unless you have releases for the buildings, which are obviously the main subjects. All of my hospitals, storefronts, etc are RM to r RF-editorial, which is the other option. So if you list as RM, or RF-editorial, the automobiles are a non-issue, and you don’t need to blur the plates either unless Australia law forbids showing them.

Here in the U.S., I never blur them. 

Betty

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Sorry Betty,

I'm a beginner and don't know what  RM and RF-editorial mean.

I'll have to look up the Australian law again, but I think that anything that can be photographed from public property such as a road has no restrictions on photography. The same applies to sculptures, but not to paintings.

My sister is called Betty.

Ian McAllister

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23 hours ago, yanmac said:

Sorry Betty,

I'm a beginner and don't know what  RM and RF-editorial mean.

I'll have to look up the Australian law again, but I think that anything that can be photographed from public property such as a road has no restrictions on photography. The same applies to sculptures, but not to paintings.

My sister is called Betty.

Ian McAllister

You need to take a crash course, Ian. RM means if there are people or property in the image, whether it’s a building, a car, a phone, etc that is prominent in the image, and you have no release, then it should be RM (Rights managed). These images can be used for editorial only, like newspapers, magazines, books, and such. They can’t be used for advertising. 

RF means Royalty Free. This is for things like landscapes without prominent property in it. A landscape with a very distant farm in the background can be RF. A landscape where the farm fills most of the frame should be RM. Other RF eligible images are pictures of plants. Or food that you have cooked. Other things, too. They can be sold for all uses, editorial or advertising.

RM-editorial is for images that DO have unreleased people or property, but the editorial part in RF-editorial means they can’t be sold for advertising, but only for editorial....the books, magazines, newspapers, etc.

Many photographers here list all of their images RM. They never have to worry about if they made the mistake of listing an image as RF when in actuality, the image has something in it that requires a release. Also, with RM, sometimes a client will buy the image again when the first license runs out.

RF means the client buys the image once and can use it over and over without buying another license. Often the price for a RF image brings more money to allow for the expanded usage. Not always.

 

In the beginning, I listed all of mine RM.  The past year or two, because Alamy suggests that clients are demanding more RF, I have listed maybe a fourth of my portfolio as RF.  It’s taken awhile, but I am making more and more RF sales. Often half of my monthly sales are RF or RF-editorial. Considering that my RF numbers overall are a fourth of my portfolio, I believe Alamy knows what the market wants.

 

You can list all of yours RM for now. As long as an image hasn’t sold as RM, you can go back later...months or even years, and change them to RF or RF-editorial when you gain a confident understanding about licensing and what each image is eligible for. By doing this, you can shoot anything within the confines of what your country allows, and just list them RM without worrying that you’ve goofed up.

 

Meanwhile, you need to do some studying online or buy a book about stock and licensing until you gain understanding.

Your sister has a great name. 😁

Betty

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Ian

 

Nothing specific in Australian law so i wouldn't worry about that

Betty has covered the key points above

Do think about the return on your time though - I wouldn't spend hours tidying up a few images and certainly for stock wouldn't remove plate registrations

 

Shoot the hospitals with car parks and simply upload as RM

 

RNSH can be shot without getting car parks in the image

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On 8/12/2018 at 08:32, Foreign Export said:

Ian

 

Nothing specific in Australian law so i wouldn't worry about that

Betty has covered the key points above

Do think about the return on your time though - I wouldn't spend hours tidying up a few images and certainly for stock wouldn't remove plate registrations

 

Shoot the hospitals with car parks and simply upload as RM

 

RNSH can be shot without getting car parks in the image

 

Agree with all above, a property release on a hospital is almost impossible to get so just tick the no release box. The only time i have blurred number plates is if i think the image might be a little controversial for instance i recently shot some waste that had been dumped on the footpath in Chatswood (Sydney) and blurred the plates on cars in the background.

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You also want to think about following Alamy on Twitter, they are repetitive but do post helpful hints and photo needs of clients. And finally when you post shots of flora try to also include the botanical name as lots of clients only search with these names and may not know the local name like Stripper Gum!

Stephen

On 8/12/2018 at 08:32, Foreign Export said:

Ian

 

Nothing specific in Australian law so i wouldn't worry about that

Betty has covered the key points above

Do think about the return on your time though - I wouldn't spend hours tidying up a few images and certainly for stock wouldn't remove plate registrations

 

Shoot the hospitals with car parks and simply upload as RM

 

RNSH can be shot without getting car parks in the image

 

Agree with all above, a property release on a hospital is almost impossible to get so just tick the no release box. The only time i have blurred number plates is if i think the image might be a little controversial for instance i recently shot some waste that had been dumped on the footpath in Chatswood (Sydney) and blurred the plates on cars in the background.

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Many thanks to all of you who replied to my query. Especially Betty who gave such a clear explanation in such a way that I can apply it immediately.

Ian McAllister

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12 hours ago, yanmac said:

Many thanks to all of you who replied to my query. Especially Betty who gave such a clear explanation in such a way that I can apply it immediately.

Ian McAllister

More than happy to help, Ian! Nice to see new people who appreciate the help/advice given. Some don’t.

Betty

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