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Others here, travel or local, can be upright (standing-roaming) hour or more?

Do back pains develop at some point?

me specifically:  ~2 inches down from right shoulder blade;

ongoing for years, resolves overnight until next day 1+ hr standing-walking;

muscle or other, don't know;  GP finds nothing wrong in Xrays;

anyone similar?  orthopedist?  chiropractor?  other?

(happens with or without camera,, although heavier camera makes it appear sooner)

thanks in advance!!!

 

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I frequently come home in pain, but I put that down to age and 16kg of backpack. Some of the most grueling events are crowded public events where you have to claim a spot early doors and hold a heavy lens continuously for many hours. If I'm walking I find it far less painful on the back, though the feet start to complain. We have a good mattress so it usually sorts itself after a few days, with stretches too.

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I have something that might be similar. I’ve tried massage therapy, and that’s helped some. Ice and anti inflammatory meds (taken as infrequently as possible) help, too. I have an evaluation  for physical therapy scheduled next week. My doctor says I’ve strained the rhomboid muscle and it’s difficult to heal. Mostly seems to become inflamed when I carry a backpack. My pack isn’t all that heavy most of the time, but I’m considering getting a pack with a waist/hip belt to take some of the weight off my back/shoulders.

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Dangerous to give advice without medical knowledge etc! 

 

I also suffer from back pain, just up from right hip. It's been there for years and gradually getting worse, so not thought to be sinister. Physiotherapist has put it down to age related wear and tear and recommended gentle exercise, swimming, stretching, bending etc. I reckon I get a lot more exercise than many my age, I regularly walk, cycle, garden and work as a volunteer ranger - was scything undergrowth last week.  Late sixties though, so might not be relevant to you Jeff.

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Pain below the shoulder blade can originate in the stomach (vagus nerve) - my essentially tee-total mother in law would get pain there if she drank a sherry, it obviously irritated her stomach. I have occasionally had something similar after a heavy meal or if I have been working and not eaten for a long time. Can feel like a trapped nerve.

 

Could easily originate with or without camera bag and resolve quite easily after relaxing and perhaps eating something modest.

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I'm not saying how much is wrong with me, but if I was a dog, I'd be PTS... :lol::(

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I've had something similar which the physio diagnosed as a trigger point problem - a sort of knot in the muscle tissue. Had some treatment which eased it considerably.

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At my age (67) aches and pains when I wake up is reassurance that I haven't died in my sleep.

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1 hour ago, JeffGreenberg said:

Others here, travel or local, can be upright (standing-roaming) hour or more?

Do back pains develop at some point?

me specifically:  ~2 inches down from right shoulder blade;

ongoing for years, resolves overnight until next day 1+ hr standing-walking;

muscle or other, don't know;  GP finds nothing wrong in Xrays;

anyone similar?  orthopedist?  chiropractor?  other?

(happens with or without camera,, although heavier camera makes it appear sooner)

thanks in advance!!!

 

 

The opposite is Sciatica: the pain is worse in the morning and sitting at a desk or driving makes it worse still: walking and planking exercises are good.

 

In general: lots of photographers have some sort of back ache.

I tried new shoes once and showed my old shoes to the guy in the shop, who had never seen such thing:

My shoes were worn on one side. Normally this would be either the inside or the outside. (Pronation or supination - all runners know this.)  Mine were both worn on the right hand side. So he let me walk on a thread mill to video me. All looked normal. I had my camera bag with me; put it on and did another walk on the machine. Bingo!

 

First port of call: a physical therapist aka physiotherapist. Strange your GP didn't send you there.

Maybe one of the specialists here could enlighten me, but in general I thought X-Ray is of little use in these cases. Here they use MRI.

 

wim

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Spread the weight evenly - no heavy bags hanging from one shoulder or heavy bags that you wheel behind you only to pick them up ever so often when you board a bus/train etc. or go downstairs/upstairs. It's always the same hand picking it up which doesn't help the spine. 

Best thing - although it looks awful, get a large waist bag that fits a dslr with your walkaround lens plus a small backpack. 

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Thanks for responses!  Anecdotal reports useful!!!  To clarify:

a. no camera bag for 8+ years, only (1) lightweight Sony RX10 series hanging in front

b. no issues when not upright, or upright for only 1-2 hrs or less

c. once it starts: sitting = some relief, hanging down limply (like touching toes) = temporary relief;

meloxicam = no relief, OTC Ibuprofen = minor relief; end of day lying down = total temporary relief; overnight lying = only total relief on any day it occurs...

 

Could not tell from back muscle chart if rhomboid is 2" below shoulder blade -- but will mention it as possibility when calling DRs or therapists!!!

DavidH trigger point:  said "had some treatment" -- if willing, what was treatment & by what kind of service...?

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Holistic thinking is required here. Consider your posture when using a computer. I speak from experience of upper back and neck pain from bad computer posture in the past. Laptops are particularly bad as there is a tendency to slouch over them because of their typical positioning below head level,  the small screens mean leaning forward to see if images are in focus , the keyboards are cramped and processing images with a trackpad or similar makes for sore hands and arms as well. 

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18 hours ago, JeffGreenberg said:

Could not tell from back muscle chart if rhomboid is 2" below shoulder blade -- but will mention it as possibility when calling DRs or therapists!!!

DavidH trigger point:  said "had some treatment" -- if willing, what was treatment & by what kind of service...?

Jeff:

 

When you visit a physical therapist or other specialist, don't mention medical terms, it makes it sound like you've already talked to another expert. Let them run with the most precise description of your pain that you can conjure up. 

 

I would also consider a specialist in sports medicine, they are best for these recurring injuries.

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Jeff,

My treatment was massage followed by ultrasound - administered by a physiotherapist who specialises in sports injuries. Try googling "trigger point therapy " and you'll get plenty of info. Totally agree with Brian though, let the physio diagnose what the problem is. Hope this helps.

Dave

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10 hours ago, JeffGreenberg said:

Thanks for responses!  Anecdotal reports useful!!!  To clarify:

a. no camera bag for 8+ years, only (1) lightweight Sony RX10 series hanging in front

b. no issues when not upright, or upright for only 1-2 hrs or less

c. once it starts: sitting = some relief, hanging down limply (like touching toes) = temporary relief;

meloxicam = no relief, OTC Ibuprofen = minor relief; end of day lying down = total temporary relief; overnight lying = only total relief on any day it occurs...

 

Could not tell from back muscle chart if rhomboid is 2" below shoulder blade -- but will mention it as possibility when calling DRs or therapists!!!

DavidH trigger point:  said "had some treatment" -- if willing, what was treatment & by what kind of service...?

 

It might not be the photography that's doing your back in but the heavy luggage you're using when travelling. 

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Chiropractor and acupuncturist help me the most - I get that trigger point pain - I also have a bunch of herniated disks in my neck and back from a bad car accident that act up from time to time - I've avoided any surgery by finding an excellent chiropractor who uses something called network care - it's a very light touch - not cracking the back which can put me into extreme pain (having gone to someone on my insurance plan who did that once- now I use someone who's out of network - Americans will understand, not something you lucky Brits need to worry about). He does occasionally use this metal tool that hurts a  lot - but very briefly - if the spot needs it. If it's really bad, I'll see the acupuncturist first, then chiropractor next day, I find the combo, in that order, helps the most. Good luck.

 

I find the switch to a mirrorless system is a big help - though now that I've just bought one of those huge pro lenses for my little Olympus, I'll have to see how it goes - still way lighter than my D700 or even the D5100 I bought as a light alternative/backup. 

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If you have a compressed disc in your cervical spine, you can get pain just holding your camera.

I get pain wearing a heavy coat and the collar touching my neck

Carrying my handbag (need to take the kitchen sink out)

Sitting/standing without my spine being straight. Especially bad are chairs/car seats that lean back a bit, causing me to thrust my head forward some. I’ve had to carry a small pillow before to fix the lean-back.

Bending forward, even a small amount, for more than a minute, which leaves your head’s weight supported by your neck rather than the whole spine.

Working with your arms over your head. Painting ceilings, upper wall, holding a camera high over a crowd.

 

All of this causes muscle spasms and/or knots in the areas along one side of my spine upper back or under the shoulder blade. Always left side.

If you have someone who can find the knot, apply a knuckle on that knot hard enough that you scream “mama “ for 5-10 seconds, then rubs it out, You might get relief. That’s working on the trigger points. I can do pain short term if it offers relief. Most women can, but the guys have trouble. After all we women have to in order to withstand childbirth.

You don’t even have to have a compressed disc, but can have your spine out of alignment. A chiropractor can help this.

while at the San Diego zoo once, I had a sling bag for lenses and carried a Nikon on a monopod. Within 30 minutes the pain was so severe I could barely breathe. End of excursion. I barely made it to the car.  That was the last time I ever carried a bag. I bought one on wheels, a Pelican. I hate winter because of the coat-caused pain.

Betty

edited to add...do not carry a camera on a strap over your neck. Period. 

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On 1/26/2018 at 19:00, JeffGreenberg said:

Thanks for responses!  Anecdotal reports useful!!!  To clarify:

a. no camera bag for 8+ years, only (1) lightweight Sony RX10 series hanging in front

b. no issues when not upright, or upright for only 1-2 hrs or less

c. once it starts: sitting = some relief, hanging down limply (like touching toes) = temporary relief;

meloxicam = no relief, OTC Ibuprofen = minor relief; end of day lying down = total temporary relief; overnight lying = only total relief on any day it occurs...

 

Could not tell from back muscle chart if rhomboid is 2" below shoulder blade -- but will mention it as possibility when calling DRs or therapists!!!

DavidH trigger point:  said "had some treatment" -- if willing, what was treatment & by what kind of service...?

 

I was going to comment about switching to mirrorless, (I'm now using either a small Fuji or an Olympus E-M1 for this vary reason), but I see you have also done so.  I get very similar pain.  I have some nerve damage from occluded nerve openings along the upper spine.  My medical doctor did not find this, I had to go to a good chiropractor that found the problem through X-Rays.

 

I used to have to take 3-6 Ibuprofen a day but that has stopped due to damage to my digestive system thru over use.  The best relief I get now is chiropractic and / massage then put up with the pain in a few days.

 

Without sounding too stupid, I have to say I "feel your pain" and wish you the best.  I'm 65 now and there is no way I'm going in for surgery.  I have too many family members and friends that are worse now after surgery for back problems. 

 

Rick

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30 minutes ago, Rick Lewis said:

 

I was going to comment about switching to mirrorless, (I'm now using either a small Fuji or an Olympus E-M1 for this vary reason), but I see you have also done so.  I get very similar pain.  I have some nerve damage from occluded nerve openings along the upper spine.  My medical doctor did not find this, I had to go to a good chiropractor that found the problem through X-Rays.

 

I used to have to take 3-6 Ibuprofen a day but that has stopped due to damage to my digestive system thru over use.  The best relief I get now is chiropractic and / massage then put up with the pain in a few days.

 

Without sounding too stupid, I have to say I "feel your pain" and wish you the best.  I'm 65 now and there is no way I'm going in for surgery.  I have too many family members and friends that are worse now after surgery for back problems. 

 

Rick

My sister got better after surgery. My daughter didn’t, but no worse. My other daughter got better, but after years went by, she’s having problems again. Probably a different disc.

There is a theme here. Degenerative disc disease can cause different discs to go bad at different times. In fact, when you fix one, especially if you get a fusion, it can often hasten the one above and below going bad. Straight from the doctor’s mouth. 

I hardly know a family member who hasn’t had back or neck problems. Love hereditary ailments. 

Not!

Betty

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Also, as possible self-remedy,

since beginning of year,

doing push-ups + sit-ups

every 90 minutes as attempt

to strengthen back & possibly

resolve patch-point of pain

2" below right shoulder blade...

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22 hours ago, Betty LaRue said:

I hardly know a family member who hasn’t had back or neck problems. Love hereditary ailments. 

Not!

Betty

 

I'm the black sheep in my family.  My issues are probably caused by work related circumstances.  There is arthritis in my family but so far I'm good there.  Fingers crossed!!

 

Rick

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21 hours ago, JeffGreenberg said:

Also, as possible self-remedy,

since beginning of year,

doing push-ups + sit-ups

every 90 minutes as attempt

to strengthen back & possibly

resolve patch-point of pain

2" below right shoulder blade...

I’ll bet if I could feel your back, you will have a knot there. Then I’d make you scream, “Mama!” :lol:

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I suffered from years of back ( and neck ) pain, mainly I think bad posture. The one thing that helped me the most was Bowen technique, after having years of various other treatments.  When you first have the treatment you think "what was all that about then", as they prod you gently then leave the room for 5 minutes, come back and prod some more.  I'm kind of guessing this helps more with muscular kind of issues rather than physical damage to anything.  Has to be said though that now when I'm lugging my dslr + tripod on the same bag around, I do feel it more than I used to  ( 50+ now , although I refuse to accept that I'm anything but 30 something ). Also I need to get a profile pic up because when I saw wiskerke's picture I really did think it was me :-)

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