GrandSlam Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I recently started sending my pictures to an agency in India for keywording,the agency I found (recommended on the Photoshelter site) is keywording for Alamy, Getty etc. Having received several batches back that they had worked on I found quite a few mistakes which made me check very single photo, spent a whole weekend going over one batch of about 50 pics correcting them. Hoping someone can recommend an agency that I can rely on to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The best agency in the world is the one between your ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Clemson Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, spacecadet said: The best agency in the world is the one between your ears. Absolutely. The only external agency I would entrust is one which is actually marketing the images themselves and know their market to the uttermost, and even then I would want the final say over my own images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 Sorry guys, that's not the answer I was looking for, as I mentioned I just don't have the time, I am a professional sports photographer shooting an imense amout of pics, so please no more "funny answers" only constructive ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeCee Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 58 minutes ago, GrandSlam said: Sorry guys, that's not the answer I was looking for, as I mentioned I just don't have the time, I am a professional sports photographer shooting an imense amout of pics, so please no more "funny answers" only constructive ones. Nothing "funny" in what was said. Lots of full time, day in, day out professional photographers on these forums, myself included, all equally busy. You've had to make time to correct a massive batch of duff keywording, so use the time better, the answers above really ARE the most constructive ones. No agency can possibly understand your needs as well as you can, they are all going to make massive errors like the one you started with. If you just need a little more in depth inspiration, try http://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, GrandSlam said: Sorry guys, that's not the answer I was looking for, as I mentioned I just don't have the time, I am a professional sports photographer shooting an imense amout of pics, so please no more "funny answers" only constructive ones. The constructive answer, which was given to you three times now, is: do your own keywording. You have no time to do keywording, but you had to make time to check what the agency did and then do it all over. No, that's not funny. Edo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regen Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 hours ago, spacecadet said: The best agency in the world is the one between your ears. Has to be the best answer to this question-brilliant and true. Regen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I was feeling a bit baroque this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I would highly recommend Clemency Wright Consulting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, Brasilnut said: I would highly recommend Clemency Wright Consulting What's their typical price per image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Quote What's their typical price per image? I would prefer not to discuss prices on here. Please contact Clemency Wright Consultancy directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Brasilnut said: I would highly recommend Clemency Wright Consulting thanks, I have just written to them and asked for a quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Estall Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 The main problem with keywording agencies is that they can only add words that describe what they can see in your image. They won't know the names of people or places unless you provide that information. If English is not their native language they will have to rely on spellcheck which isn't always that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 54 minutes ago, Robert M Estall said: The main problem with keywording agencies is that they can only add words that describe what they can see in your image. They won't know the names of people or places unless you provide that information. If English is not their native language they will have to rely on spellcheck which isn't always that great. 46 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Also, they tend to go for the conceptual/creative sort of keywords that might well cause damage at Alamy for images which are editorial. I understand that Clemency Wright Consultancy provides their service to Robert Harding Picture Library who in turn distribute widely including to Alamy - so track some down and have a look. thanks for the info, I will check the Robert Harding pics to see what sort of keywords they contain. I do think that some agencies overdo it with their keywords, for me it is acceptable if the keywords only relate to what is seen on the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert M Estall said: The main problem with keywording agencies is that they can only add words that describe what they can see in your image. They won't know the names of people or places unless you provide that information. If English is not their native language they will have to rely on spellcheck which isn't always that great. Robert, that's fine with me if the keyword agency just write what they can see, all my photos contain the basic info, like name of the place, if it is a festival, also the name of that and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Robert M Estall said: The main problem with keywording agencies is that they can only add words that describe what they can see in your image. They won't know the names of people or places unless you provide that information. If English is not their native language they will have to rely on spellcheck which isn't always that great. Robert, that's fine with me if the keyword agency just write what they can see, all my photos contain the basic info, like name of the place, if it is a festival, also the name of that and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Clemency Wright Consulting and I collaborated on a LinkedIn blog post about keywording a few weeks ago (with examples of some of my mediocre keywording and what was done to remedy). You can access it with the follow link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/keywording-photographers-quest-increase-image-sales-clemency-wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasilnut Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Quote I'm surprised that 'refugee' wasn't a keyword in Case 1. Also, 'Europe'. Clemency asked me whether he was a refugee and I couldn't say for sure, only that he is from Nigeria. So she felt it best to leave it out. Perhaps he was an 'economic migrant' which I'll include. As for not including 'Europe', the advice I received is that since in the shot there is no backdrop to show the geographical setting and we have to think that if we add europe, and customers search for photos of young men in europe, they are specifically looking for the results to depict the countries of europe as opposed to this type of plain background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Brasilnut said: Clemency Consulting and I collaborated on a LinkedIn blog post about keywording a few weeks ago (with examples of some of my mediocre keywording and what was done to remedy). You can access it with the follow link: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/keywording-photographers-quest-increase-image-sales-clemency-wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 thanks for posting the link, very helpful. I will speak with them on Wednesday, look forward to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 thanks for posting the link, very helpful. I will speak with them on Wednesday, look forward to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Noble Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Hi Everyone, I have used Clemency Wright based in the North of the UK. I don't have time to do the key wording myself. I have noted an uplift in click-throughs and zooms. As yet, no surge in sales, but I only started using her in August. I generally label the locations, but they put in the synonyms and all those other bits which are such a pain to do. Hope that helps. Kind regards Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandSlam Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Hi Matt, will have a chat to them in the morning , sofar I've heard not a bad word about the agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 hours ago, Matthew Noble said: Hi Everyone, I have used Clemency Wright based in the North of the UK. I don't have time to do the key wording myself. I have noted an uplift in click-throughs and zooms. As yet, no surge in sales, but I only started using her in August. I generally label the locations, but they put in the synonyms and all those other bits which are such a pain to do. Hope that helps. Kind regards Matt Yes, those are well keyworded. About as well as mine. BTW do you check them? Confectionery isn't spelt with an "a". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnapper Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Key to all this is price that a good keywording service willl charge, and for a primarily editorial library like Alamy, the margins are going to be very, very tight..... For a commercial collection at a more specialist outlet the figures may well work out. But here? I have my doubts km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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