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Keywording in Lightroom - anyone else frustrated?

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I too am disappointed about the lack of development of keywording in Lightroom.

 

I have previously looked at Photo Mechanic, but while it is good for importing and rapid sorting, it is weaker on keywording across multiple files: it does not do what I need it to do for the time being so I have passed on it.  The developer has been teasing a fully fledged DAM system for, literally, years, but there is still no sign of it appearing.  If they could come up with something good now, this would be a really good time to be marketing it, but I am not going to be holding my breath and I have been wondering for several years now how real this will actually turn out to be.

 

I have therefore decided to have a look at IMatch, which gets consistently good reports.  I downloaded the trial yesterday, and made the mistake of trying to import all my RAW photos to see how it performs, instead of just a few.  24 hours later, it is still chugging through them (and currently the progress box says 26 hours and something remaining...).  I am not interested in something that cannot handle all my photos (Lightroom can, for all its foibles) and I do not really regret throwing the whole lot at it, since if it cannot cope with a large volume of photos without grinding to a halt, that alone will mean it is not for me and I will not have to waste my time learning it.  Maybe at this rate I will have something to play with by the weekend...  The other issue is that it seems relatively expensive for what it does.  If it does keywording really well, it might be with the additional cost, we shall see.

 

Graham

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10 minutes ago, CM photo said:

My files are either DNG or CR2.  There is an option in LR  catalogue settings to "automatically write changes into XMP" but I can't see a similar setting for Bridge - i.e. I can't set it up the other way round.  Not being very technically-minded, all I can say is that when I keyword in Bridge the keywords don't appear in LR.  If I keyword in LR, however, the results do show up in Bridge.

 

Chris

Once you have done your keywords in bridge you will notice a little icon in the corner of the image in lightroom, click it select import settings from disk

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1 hour ago, LawrensonPhoto said:

Once you have done your keywords in bridge you will notice a little icon in the corner of the image in lightroom, click it select import settings from disk

 

I'm not seeing this, perhaps my preferences are not set up for it.  But in any case, it seems to be more hassle than it's worth  - I think I'll stick to keywording in Lightroom, where keywords can be nested, as in Bridge, although I have to admit it could be a lot more intuitive than it is!  

 

Thanks for your help, though - I may come back to this at a later date when I have more time.

 

Chris

 

  

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11 minutes ago, CM photo said:

 

I'm not seeing this, perhaps my preferences are not set up for it.  But in any case, it seems to be more hassle than it's worth  - I think I'll stick to keywording in Lightroom, where keywords can be nested, as in Bridge, although I have to admit it could be a lot more intuitive than it is!  

 

Thanks for your help, though - I may come back to this at a later date when I have more time.

 

Chris

 

  

 

You need to change your Camera Raw Prefs in Bridge to Save Image Settings to xmp.

 

However, I would strongly suggest keywording in Lightroom  as you say - there is no advantage to using Bridge (order of keywords is irrelevant according to Alamy outside of multi-word tags) and there are a lot of advantages to using Lightroom.

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53 minutes ago, MDM said:

 

You need to change your Camera Raw Prefs in Bridge to Save Image Settings to xmp.

 

However, I would strongly suggest keywording in Lightroom  as you say - there is no advantage to using Bridge (order of keywords is irrelevant according to Alamy outside of multi-word tags) and there are a lot of advantages to using Lightroom.

 

Yes, I agree.  I'm a big fan of LR and having been using it since version 1 - I just thought Bridge might bring something new to my workflow.  Putting together a nested series of keywords in LR when you already have thousands of individual keywords listed is not a viable option; dragging, say "wolf" up the list to "animals" takes forever - and then you have to do it all again with "zebra"!  Life's too short.

 

Chris

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1 hour ago, MDM said:

 

You need to change your Camera Raw Prefs in Bridge to Save Image Settings to xmp.

 

However, I would strongly suggest keywording in Lightroom  as you say - there is no advantage to using Bridge (order of keywords is irrelevant according to Alamy outside of multi-word tags) and there are a lot of advantages to using Lightroom.

 

38 minutes ago, CM photo said:

 

Yes, I agree.  I'm a big fan of LR and having been using it since version 1 - I just thought Bridge might bring something new to my workflow.  Putting together a nested series of keywords in LR when you already have thousands of individual keywords listed is not a viable option; dragging, say "wolf" up the list to "animals" takes forever - and then you have to do it all again with "zebra"!  Life's too short.

 

Chris

 

And getting shorter every day. Bridge is a file browser, Lightroom is a DAM and a whole lot more. It may not be perfect but it's very good and the latest upgrade (Classic not the other thing) is a big improvement in terms of speed. Having used Bridge for several years before I went the Lightroom way, I have first hand experience. I've had the arguments with the Bridge proponents here before so not intending to do so again. Life really is too short.

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5 hours ago, Graham said:

I have therefore decided to have a look at IMatch, which gets consistently good reports.  I downloaded the trial yesterday, and made the mistake of trying to import all my RAW photos to see how it performs, instead of just a few.  24 hours later, it is still chugging through them (and currently the progress box says 26 hours and something remaining...).

Graham

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Something wrong there - I've been using IMatch for years and never had a problem like that.  I suggest you ask on the IMatch forum - Mario will respond very quickly.

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Something wrong there - I've been using IMatch for years and never had a problem like that.  I suggest you ask on the IMatch forum - Mario will respond very quickly.

 

Yes, he did - essentially I am putting in a very large number of files but IMatch should be able to cope once ingested. 

 

Do you use it for your keywording?  If you do and are willing to share your thoughts, I would be very interested to know what you think of it.

 

Graham

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4 hours ago, Graham said:

Do you use it for your keywording?  ...are willing to share your thoughts....

 

Graham

 

 

Yes and yes.  I'll put some notes down in notepad and post later - stay tuned...

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Sorry for the delay - I got sidetracked.  My notes ended up a bit long-winded so instead of cluttering up this thread I've put it on my website, together with a couple of screenshots.....

 

Keywording with Imatch

 

I hope you find it useful.

 

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4 hours ago, Vincent Lowe said:

Keywording with Imatch

 

I hope you find it useful.

Wow, thank you so much for doing this - very informative.

 

My computer crashed (not IMatch's fault) and I had to do a complete image restore from last weekend's backup.  I have a busy few weeks coming up so I have decided to put my evaluation on hold and resume again later in November.  Hopefully having restored the computer to a state it was in before I installed IMatch, I will get my intended 30 days trial, but we shall see.

 

Graham

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