M.Chapman Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Interesting article and following debate here. Adobe unveils all-new cloud-based Lightroom CC, rebrands old application 'Lightroom Classic' Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 My CC, LR and PS updated today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Safari can't find the server? Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avpics Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 https://www.dpreview.com/news/9793353649/adobe-launches-all-new-cloud-based-lightroom-cc-rebrands-old-application-lightroom-classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted October 18, 2017 Author Share Posted October 18, 2017 51 minutes ago, Allan Bell said: Safari can't find the server? Allan Oops sorry, link now fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Carlsson Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 26 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Doesn´t this potentially blow Photoshelter out of the water? Adobe has offered storage (as have many others) for years - there is no licensing, other fulfillment nor a personal website as far as I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoDogue Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 40 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Doesn´t this potentially blow Photoshelter out of the water? In theory, between Adobe Spark, Adobe Cloud, Adobe Stock, etc, it could blow a wide range of photo companies out of the water. If you haven't seen it yet, Spark appears to be some sort of web site designed for mobile devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Carlsson Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, geogphotos said: True, but if Adobe are forcing subscribers to pay for Cloud storage in order to use their products it provides a major disincentive to pay for duplicate storage elsewhere. And despite the add-ons Photoshelter's core business is secure Cloud storage - as the name suggests. Adobe are already offering stock sales, maybe other web services in the future? Perhaps they want EVERYTHING!! Your speculations are valid, but as you point out yourself - not just yet. I'm not choosing Adobe plan according to the storage, but as to which softwares I need (LR, PS and Premiere) - happen to get a bunch of storage with it and I do use it to seamlessly work across two computers (desktop and laptop). Photoshelter is for back up, licensing, fulfilment, but primarily a headache free way of a having a website, a hub of sorts. Haven't tried the new Lightroom CC (the cloud based one) - but if it is as capable as the classic one, I can see great potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Carlsson Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, geogphotos said: Maybe I misunderstand the new Lightroom but from what I read it will be almost compulsory to rent extensive online storage if you use it. "People like us" would probably need more storage than perhaps the average user, so yes it is a way of squeezing us - HDDs still works just fine though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHP Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This short video will help to answer some questions on the Adobe Lightroom strategy and which version might be best for different workflows. I'll be sticking with desktop version (Lightroom Classic CC.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSNcM7C0UE Clarence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 5 hours ago, CHP said: This short video will help to answer some questions on the Adobe Lightroom strategy and which version might be best for different workflows. I'll be sticking with desktop version (Lightroom Classic CC.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSNcM7C0UE Clarence Thanks. That helps clarify. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KODAKovic Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 New Lightroom CC includes a machine learning engine called Adobe Sensei which claims to recognize keywords automatically (http://www.adobe.com/it/sensei.html#x) upppsss..that's in italian, no problem Ed right? lol I'm very curious to see it in action, that's why i'm downloading the demo version of LR CC right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, KODAKovic said: http://www.adobe.com/it/sensei.html#x Has to be one of the least informative promo videos ever... But whatever it is, I feel I must have it! Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KODAKovic Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I'm sorry, Adobe Sensei as a standalone product is in the beta but the keywords engine is already included in the new LR CC... 20% done... i'll let you know how it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KODAKovic Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I agree with many here saying Adobe wants everything! Don't know actually if that's a good thing for us, my past experience says NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KODAKovic Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 https://petapixel.com/2017/10/18/bye-bye-lightroom-hello-lightroom-cc-faster-lightroom-classic/ Adobe Sensei better explained, i'm testing it right now ... only 7 days of trial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotoDogue Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 18 hours ago, geogphotos said: True, but if Adobe are forcing subscribers to pay for Cloud storage in order to use their products it provides a major disincentive to pay for duplicate storage elsewhere. And despite the add-ons Photoshelter's core business is secure Cloud storage - as the name suggests. Adobe are already offering stock sales, maybe other web services in the future? Perhaps they want EVERYTHING!! I don't really care so much about PhotoShelter for storage. If you've ever tried to restore your archive from there you'll discover it's a major pain and it's not that cheap. By comparison I pay $60/year for unlimited back-ups elsewhere. What I do care about is Photoshelter's searchable database for public images. If Adobe's websites are searchable that could put a major dent in PhotoShelter's business. EDIT: On the other hand, they probably won't have searchable websites because it might compete with Adobe S****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Lewis Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Thom Hogan has some interesting information on the new Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC (cloud). At the very bottom of his post is a concerning comment. http://www.dslrbodies.com/accessories/software-for-nikon-dslrs/software-news/digital-photography-softwar/lightroom-fragments.html Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCat Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 There is good information here.... https://creativeraw.com/future-lightroom-classic-thoughts-cc/ Paulette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubens Alarcon Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Well, this direction being taken by Adobe is leading me to test Capture One, specially because I'm not really happy with how LR handles Fuji files. I have a trip coming up next week. When I come back I'll download the trial and give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, Rubens Alarcon said: Well, this direction being taken by Adobe is leading me to test Capture One, specially because I'm not really happy with how LR handles Fuji files. I have a trip coming up next week. When I come back I'll download the trial and give it a try. Can you expand on this? Just about to change to Fuji X-T system and just upgraded from LR5 to LR6 in advance of getting the camera so I have support for the RAW conversion. Don't tell me I'm going to be disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubens Alarcon Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, losdemas said: Can you expand on this? Just about to change to Fuji X-T system and just upgraded from LR5 to LR6 in advance of getting the camera so I have support for the RAW conversion. Don't tell me I'm going to be disappointed! LR6 (desktop version - perpetual license) support/updates will eventually cease. There will be no Lightroom 7. I'm not prepared to keep paying Adobe a monthly subscription fee, specially with the potential for increases in the future. Regarding image processing, it is just the way the RAW processor converts the images. There is something in the algorithm that renders foliage and finer details with a "mushy" look. There is also an issue with the sharpening. You cannot approach sharpening the same way you'd do with a Canon or Nikon shot. I find that I get better sharpening results (closer to the jpegs produced by the camera) with RAW files when I limit the sharpening Amount to a maximum of 10, and the radius to about 0.8. I can then move the Detail slider way up to 100, if necessary. Using a "standard" DSLR sharpening setting, where you move the Amount slider up, will produce artifacts in the image (people call them "worms"). If you do a Google search for "lightroom fujifilm worms" you'll find more information. Don't worry too much. I've been using the X-T2 since November of last year, and many of my images here were taken with the Fuji. ALL of them were processed using Lightroom. I have not touched my Nikon gear since then. I'm pleased with the camera compactness and the images it produces, but it is possible to get more details using Iridient X-Transformer (a plug-in for Lightroom) or the stand alone Iridient Developer application. Would most people notice the difference? I doubt it. My advice is that if you prefer using only Lightroom to process your images, do not apply conventional sharpening to your Fuji files to avoid issues with the rendered image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losdemas Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 ^^Thanks for the info and advice -much appreciated. I am aware that Adobe are abandoning perpetual licenses completely and support for LR6 will end at the end of this year. The way I look at it is that it's cost me ~£65 to upgrade a desktop programme (which is what I want). I figure on getting at least a year's worth of use out of it, then - if Adobe haven't realised who their support base is (pro and enthusiast togs who have spent a lot of money with them over the years) - I will be free to look around for alternatives to Adobe at that stage having had plenty of time to consider my options. I am sure that many companies are preparing to take business away from Adobe and believe that in a year or so, I'll have even more choice than now! NO company is too big to fail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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