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Hello all ! I applied to Alamy 3 years ago but never uploaded nothing... <_< Well, I am a contributor to other stocks but did a deep break for years...  and recently decided to start to upload again. Alamy seems to be a good place to propose something different  than "red tomatoes on white background" and I was happy to pass the test 2 days ago ! As newbie on Alamy, I have ton of questions and need time to learn the philosophy of the site. Happy to be with you :)

 

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Welcome to Alamy Serge. You have three lovely images there, now you need to concentrate on improving your keywording if you want your images to be seen by buyers.

 

I will leave it to Philippe and others to bring you up to speed.

 

Allan

 

 

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Welcome to Alamy Serge.

 

I agree with Allan, they are great images. Also as Allan says, you need to improve your tags. They aren't too bad but for example the ducks - You need to research what species they are, and put the scientific name as well as the common name in both the caption and tags. With the fish (amazing photo!) you should put the scientific name too. Also consider using phrases (more than one word per tag) when the words should go together.

 

Tags are just as important as the photo itself, as without good tags, your excellent photos won't be seen.

 

Good luck,

Geoff.

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Thanks for your nice comments .

 

@Allan : I tried to improve the "discoverability" for the first image (the sunrise with the moon") with 47/50 keywords (but I don't want to spam the search engine either)  and by adding supertags without success :  the discoverability still stay to "poor". :huh:

 

@Geoff : You are right, but whenever I can, I add the scientific name. I admit that for the ducks, I did not find. This photo was unlikely ... I did not have the right material, not the right objective (only my 17/50) and I did not want to afraid this little family. I took other funny pictures, when they tried to swim in the waves, but alas they are too blurry for stock. I didn't know the phrases were allowed as tags but thanks this is a good tip.

 

I also do illustrations and I have a lot of Editorial images too  (mainly sport events :  regatta, cycling, ironman...) 

 

More to come !

 

Again, thanks to both of you.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Southmind said:

Thanks for your nice comments .

 

@Allan : I tried to improve the "discoverability" for the first image (the sunrise with the moon") with 47/50 keywords (but I don't want to spam the search engine either)  and by adding supertags without success :  the discoverability still stay to "poor". :huh:

 

@Geoff : You are right, but whenever I can, I add the scientific name. I admit that for the ducks, I did not find. This photo was unlikely ... I did not have the right material, not the right objective (only my 17/50) and I did not want to afraid this little family. I took other funny pictures, when they tried to swim in the waves, but alas they are too blurry for stock. I didn't know the phrases were allowed as tags but thanks this is a good tip.

 

I also do illustrations and I have a lot of Editorial images too  (mainly sport events :  regatta, cycling, ironman...) 

 

More to come !

 

Again, thanks to both of you.

 

 

 

Hi Serge and thanks for replying. So few newcomers answer our posts.

 

As has been mentioned in other threads on the forums ignore trying to achieve high discoverability it does not do or mean anything. Just keep to tags, captions, etc that convey what is in the images.

 

There is a thread on the "Lets talk about images" forum entitled "Image identification". If you load your image to that thread asking what your ducks are called someone will be able to tell you. Yes we are in competition with each other but we also help each other out when we can.

 

Allan

 

 

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Hello Allan, by following your advice yesterday , I found more recent publications about these ducks, which I had not found when I took the picture years ago. That's the problem when we use metadata on a picture, we never change the content...  

Is the keywords sort order important ? I mean , is the first keyword more important than the last for the search engine ?

 

I don't plan to upload a large amount of my existing images, just the ones that are less MS compatibles... just to build a basic portfolio, and then I will add exclusives photos and illustrations here.  A long process... 

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59 minutes ago, Southmind said:

Hello Allan, by following your advice yesterday , I found more recent publications about these ducks, which I had not found when I took the picture years ago. That's the problem when we use metadata on a picture, we never change the content...  

Is the keywords sort order important ? I mean , is the first keyword more important than the last for the search engine ?

 

I don't plan to upload a large amount of my existing images, just the ones that are less MS compatibles... just to build a basic portfolio, and then I will add exclusives photos and illustrations here.  A long process... 

 

Keywording order is considered by most to be important. Tagging, as it is called on Alamy now, is also important in the we can have a run of words in one tag making up a small sentence such as a researcher would enter to find an image,

 

Allan

 

 

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2 hours ago, Southmind said:

Hello Allan, by following your advice yesterday , I found more recent publications about these ducks, which I had not found when I took the picture years ago. That's the problem when we use metadata on a picture, we never change the content...  

Is the keywords sort order important ? I mean , is the first keyword more important than the last for the search engine ?

 

I don't plan to upload a large amount of my existing images, just the ones that are less MS compatibles... just to build a basic portfolio, and then I will add exclusives photos and illustrations here.  A long process... 

 

Just to clarify something about tag (keyword order) - The position the tags appear don't make a difference to how much weight each tag has. What makes a difference is the proximity of tags with other tags. So take a list of tags that appear in this order....

 

banana, boat, skin, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

If someone searches for "banana skin", your image will appear in a certain position depending on many other factors. However, if you have tags in this order....

 

banana, skin, boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

.....then the fact "banana" and "skin" are next to each other increases the placement of that image in search results. The way all this works has possibly changed, but in recent months that is roughly how Alamy explained the situation with tags.

 

Having said all that, it's sometimes the case that tags don't appear in the order you want them to be in, and that has changed over the months, and once they're entered you can't change that order. So what I recommend for words that go together is to use phrases. So the tags could be (note the commas separating the tags).....

 

banana skin, boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

That "forces" the tags of banana and skin together into one tag, so whatever happens to the order of the tags, those words are always together and a search for just "banana" or just "skin" will also still find your image.

 

If your tags were in this order.....

 

boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals, banana skin

 

.....the image will appear in the exact same position on a search for "banana skin" as that phrase being at the start.

 

I hope that all makes sense!  :)

Geoff.

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Thanks Geoff ! Clear as cristal ! The possibility to create phrases (or meta-tags) is very powerful .

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Thank you for expanding on what i was saying Geoff.

 

Allan

 

 

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6 hours ago, GS-Images said:

You're welcome, both of you.  :)

 

Geoff.

 Really, thank you for your welcome and your help to you both . I leave 10 days to travel but I will come back with ton of photos and new questions :D;)

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18 hours ago, Southmind said:

 Really, thank you for your welcome and your help to you both . I leave 10 days to travel but I will come back with ton of photos and new questions :D;)

 

 

I think if I lived in Nice or on the Fresh Riviera I could spend the rest of my life just taking photos of the area.B)

 

Allan

 

 

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On 23/08/2017 at 19:13, GS-Images said:

 

Just to clarify something about tag (keyword order) - The position the tags appear don't make a difference to how much weight each tag has. What makes a difference is the proximity of tags with other tags. So take a list of tags that appear in this order....

 

banana, boat, skin, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

If someone searches for "banana skin", your image will appear in a certain position depending on many other factors. However, if you have tags in this order....

 

banana, skin, boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

.....then the fact "banana" and "skin" are next to each other increases the placement of that image in search results. The way all this works has possibly changed, but in recent months that is roughly how Alamy explained the situation with tags.

 

Having said all that, it's sometimes the case that tags don't appear in the order you want them to be in, and that has changed over the months, and once they're entered you can't change that order. So what I recommend for words that go together is to use phrases. So the tags could be (note the commas separating the tags).....

 

banana skin, boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals

 

That "forces" the tags of banana and skin together into one tag, so whatever happens to the order of the tags, those words are always together and a search for just "banana" or just "skin" will also still find your image.

 

If your tags were in this order.....

 

boat, cows, milking, farm, tree, animals, banana skin

 

.....the image will appear in the exact same position on a search for "banana skin" as that phrase being at the start.

 

I hope that all makes sense!  :)

Geoff.

Oh boy I don't know all that, despite having read the Alamy blog about keywording, as well as numerous other threads about it.  There really isn't enough information for those relatively new to all this unless you are a regular in this forum and manage to catch threads like this. But if one puts keywords into Lightroom before uploading they are automatically put in alphabetical order, or is there maybe there is a way to set a preference not to do that? 

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43 minutes ago, Sally said:

Oh boy I don't know all that, despite having read the Alamy blog about keywording, as well as numerous other threads about it.  There really isn't enough information for those relatively new to all this unless you are a regular in this forum and manage to catch threads like this. But if one puts keywords into Lightroom before uploading they are automatically put in alphabetical order, or is there maybe there is a way to set a preference not to do that? 

 

You can't change the order, but that's why you use phrases. You can add phrases in LR that transfer to Alamy ok.

 

Geoff. 

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On 25/08/2017 at 13:15, Allan Bell said:

 

 

I think if I lived in Nice or on the Fresh Riviera I could spend the rest of my life just taking photos of the area.B)

 

Allan

 

 

 

I am back from Brittany and ready to upload again ! Lol Allan , "Fresh Riviera" is still "French" Riviera but not so "fresh" those days... :D. We had a so hot and dry summer this year that I look forward to Autumn. But you are right there are ton of things to shoot here and we can choose any subjects (sea, city, mountains, snow, sport or cultural events...) 

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4 hours ago, Southmind said:

 

I am back from Brittany and ready to upload again ! Lol Allan , "Fresh Riviera" is still "French" Riviera but not so "fresh" those days... :D. We had a so hot and dry summer this year that I look forward to Autumn. But you are right there are ton of things to shoot here and we can choose any subjects (sea, city, mountains, snow, sport or cultural events...) 

 

Thanks for replying.:)

 

Sorry for that spelling mistake which I missed. Blasted computer spell check strikes again.:angry:

 

Allan

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Thanks for replying.:)

 

Sorry for that spelling mistake which I missed. Blasted computer spell check strikes again.:angry:

 

Allan

 

 

 

Lol Allan, as you can see (read) , English is not my first language, so don't be sorry for your mistakes, because mine are terrible... fortunately, days after days, tags allow me to learn new words...

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1 hour ago, Southmind said:

 

Lol Allan, as you can see (read) , English is not my first language, so don't be sorry for your mistakes, because mine are terrible... fortunately, days after days, tags allow me to learn new words...

 

You are doing very well if English is your second language.

 

I'm afraid, like the majority of people on the British mainland, I am too lazy to learn a new and useful language.:blink:

 

Allan

 

 

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Here is a keyword tool that will help break the language barrier.

 

http://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php

 

On the first page set your own language. example “French”

“images to load” input “100”

file types “Photos”

Now search terms in the language you have chosen. Example “ecole” if you have chosen “French” for language.

Now click on submit button and get 100 images of “ecole”

click on a small selection of the selection of 100 images that look like your image that you are trying to keyword.

click on “submit” button at the bottom of that page

You will be presented with a selection of possible keywords for “Ecole” in ENGLISH !!!!

click on the english keywords that seem to apply. This is where it may become difficult for you.

For instance if I have a general scene of pupils in a school classroom I click on those images of a classroom that come up, not the images of a school textbook which will also come up.

I get my list of keywords in ENGLISH, with the most relavent at the top, and click on those that apply giving me the following list of english keywords.

 

school, childhood, education, class, classroom, lesson, learning, schoolchildren, knowledge, classmates, studying, study, children, teacher, pupils, schoolboys, schoolgirls, academic, educational, educate, classmate, students, schoolchild, scholar, wisdom, schoolgirl, school girl, school children, school child

 

I thank Alamy Forum member Wim for pointing me to this software years ago. I use it English to English all the time.

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36 minutes ago, Bill Brooks said:

Here is a keyword tool that will help break the language barrier.

 

http://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php

 

On the first page set your own language. example “French”

“images to load” input “100”

file types “Photos”

Now search terms in the language you have chosen. Example “ecole” if you have chosen “French” for language.

Now click on submit button and get 100 images of “ecole”

click on a small selection of the selection of 100 images that look like your image that you are trying to keyword.

click on “submit” button at the bottom of that page

You will be presented with a selection of possible keywords for “Ecole” in ENGLISH !!!!

click on the english keywords that seem to apply. This is where it may become difficult for you.

For instance if I have a general scene of pupils in a school classroom I click on those images of a classroom that come up, not the images of a school textbook which will also come up.

I get my list of keywords in ENGLISH, with the most relavent at the top, and click on those that apply giving me the following list of english keywords.

 

school, childhood, education, class, classroom, lesson, learning, schoolchildren, knowledge, classmates, studying, study, children, teacher, pupils, schoolboys, schoolgirls, academic, educational, educate, classmate, students, schoolchild, scholar, wisdom, schoolgirl, school girl, school children, school child

 

I thank Alamy Forum member Wim for pointing me to this software years ago. I use it English to English all the time.

 

Hey! I like it.:)

 

Oh NO! Now I will have to go back through my images and re tag (keyword).:wacko:

 

Allan

 

 

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50 minutes ago, Allan Bell said:

 

Hey! I like it.:)

 

Oh NO! Now I will have to go back through my images and re tag (keyword).:wacko:

 

Allan

 

 

 

Yes, it's not bad at all for common subjects. It took me a couple of tries before I realized that I had to click on "SUBMIT" in order to get the list of possible keywords.

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2 hours ago, Bill Brooks said:

Here is a keyword tool that will help break the language barrier.

 

http://microstockgroup.com/tools/keyword.php

 

On the first page set your own language. example “French”

“images to load” input “100”

file types “Photos”

Now search terms in the language you have chosen. Example “ecole” if you have chosen “French” for language.

Now click on submit button and get 100 images of “ecole”

click on a small selection of the selection of 100 images that look like your image that you are trying to keyword.

click on “submit” button at the bottom of that page

You will be presented with a selection of possible keywords for “Ecole” in ENGLISH !!!!

click on the english keywords that seem to apply. This is where it may become difficult for you.

For instance if I have a general scene of pupils in a school classroom I click on those images of a classroom that come up, not the images of a school textbook which will also come up.

I get my list of keywords in ENGLISH, with the most relavent at the top, and click on those that apply giving me the following list of english keywords.

 

school, childhood, education, class, classroom, lesson, learning, schoolchildren, knowledge, classmates, studying, study, children, teacher, pupils, schoolboys, schoolgirls, academic, educational, educate, classmate, students, schoolchild, scholar, wisdom, schoolgirl, school girl, school children, school child

 

I thank Alamy Forum member Wim for pointing me to this software years ago. I use it English to English all the time.

 

Many Thanks for the link Bill ! Very useful. I add this link to my tools.

 

I use this one too : https://www.keyword.io/tool/stock-photo-research 

Interesting because you can add the "mandatory" keywords and the keywords you must not have. 

 

and this one for synonyms : http://www.synonym.com/synonyms/

 

Serge

 

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On 05/09/2017 at 07:10, hdh said:

Welcome to the forum! 

 

I do also use this keywording tool: 

http://www.mykeyworder.com

 

Thanks hdh . Certainly, I will have  perfect image tags with all these tools ! ;)

The more I use the Alamy keyboarding system in Images Manager, the more I like it.  Its easy to add new tags to one or more image. 

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