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My Apple Display has finally failed leaving me in the lurch this morning.

 

Could you recommend a mid-range graded screen over £200-250?

 

Much appreciated,

Richard.

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By 'mid-range' do you mean size or price? I recently bought an NEC PA242W 24" monitor to run off my MacBook Pro, which is excellent. It's a fair bit cheaper than an Eizo, which I think has the same panel, but different software controlling it. Cost was Aus$1290 (about £750), which is over £200-250, but I'm not quite sure what you meant by that. Also bought the NEC Spectraview 2 software and colorimeter to keep it calibrated, for another US$315 (about £250).

 

Prices in Australia tend to be high, so you may be able to get NEC monitors cheaper in the UK. The Spectraview 2 software and colorimeter were from B&H, New York.

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Last year when I bought my Dell 27 inch  Ultrasharp at B&H they had several off-brand monitors for as low as $100 US.

My previous monitor was an LG  22 inch IPS display that I bought for $150 US at BestBuy. It lasted a bit longer than the warranty.

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I will put in another good word for the NEC monitors.  Mine lasted for six years.

I have another question, when I replaced my NEC with a DELL Ultra-Sharp I can

not get my video card to run the monitor as well as it did the NEC?

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Chuck - I think it may have something to do with the bit depth of the panel electonics. NEC and Eizo have 10-bit panels or higher, so, assuming you have a high-end graphics card, they can input a high quality signal. Most cheaper monitors like Dell, Apple, Samsung and Viewsonic, have 6 or 8-bit panels, so can only receive a lower quality input signal. That may be one reason why your graphics card ran the NEC so well. I think the Dell Ultrasharp panels are mostly 8-bit, or 8-bit with Frame Rate Control, which Dell claims is 10-bit, but I'm not sure if that's the same as true 10-bit.

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Thanks Rick, what you wrote makes sense to me.  I really miss my NEC, but new NEC monitors are just too expensive....

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I still have my Eizo 10 years on. It doesn't "hold" calibration for long though now.

 

I saw a rather nice HP Dreamcolor (?) a few months ago which looked rather nice.

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On 24/08/2017 at 13:50, arterra said:

My Eizo is still up and running. Bought it in 2008.

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Need to touch wood. Oh .... no problem. In a forest right now :-)

 

Cheers,

Philippe  

Mind the deer, Philippe.

Especially if they lick your face.

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1 hour ago, arterra said:

 

Saves time in the morning. No more need to wash your face. And you smell lovely ...... a mixture of digested grass, tree bark, brambles and mosses -_-

 

Cheers,

Philippe

Eau deer...?

:lol:

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2 hours ago, arterra said:

 

Saves time in the morning. No more need to wash your face. And you smell lovely ...... a mixture of digested grass, tree bark, brambles and mosses -_-

 

Cheers,

Philippe

 

No need to shave either.:D

 

Allan

 

 

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3 hours ago, arterra said:

Are we off-topic again :huh:

 

 

Are you discussing either the topic of the thread, or anything at all relating to cows? Either is fine in any thread - Otherwise you're off topic.

 

Mr. Moo.

(Still busy writing my lines as per Philippe's recent instructions).

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6 minutes ago, arterra said:

 

I expect a PDF with your HANDWRITTEN lines before midnight, young Mr. Moo :mellow:

 

Cheers,

Philippe

 

Yes sir, anything you say sir. Sorry sir. Thank you sir.

 

Mr. Moo.

(Trying not to cry).

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18 minutes ago, GS-Images said:

 

Yes sir, anything you say sir. Sorry sir. Thank you sir.

 

Mr. Moo.

(Trying not to cry).

 

Send me a copy of your handwriting and I will do some for you.^_^

 

Allan

 

 

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5 minutes ago, arterra said:

 

Good, that makes 2000 lines :D

 

Cheers,

Philippe

 

That's ok I have a photocopier.:P

 

Allan

 

 

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I found a way to put my handwriting in a post on here. Amazing, huh? My writing is excellent and some even think it's computer generated. It isn't though, honest, I'm just good at writing. So here you are Allan, here is what my handwriting is like.....

 

A European robin (Erithacus rubecula) is NOT a beast but a cute , little ANIMAL.

 

There you go Allan. Thanks for your help.  :)

 

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Is it me, or is the conversation getting a bit baroque round here?

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On 22/08/2017 at 10:08, Richard Baker said:

My Apple Display has finally failed leaving me in the lurch this morning.

 

Could you recommend a mid-range graded screen over £200-250?

 

Much appreciated,

Richard.

Nobody has mentioned BenQ. These are relatively new to the specialist photography monitor market.  They produce high spec wide gamut monitors at less than half the price of the equivalent Eizo or Nec. Worth looking at although well over 250. However, the monitor is a very important part of the digital process so it is worth having a good one. The difference between a good matte monitor and an Apple display is astounding. 

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I would highly recommend HP monitors. I've had my HP LP2475w for 7 years, it has just over 13,000 backlight hours behind it and is still going strong. I also have a HP Z24i which is also excellent (now replaced with Z24n I think). There is also a 27" version if you prefer. Build quality is first class.

 

Both monitors are a fraction of the price of the Eizo's and much better value in my view, I for one can't see the difference in quality (that doesn't mean there IS no difference of course)

 

http://www.digitaleng.news/de/a-tale-of-three-monitors/

 

Marc

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I wonder if the number of manufacturers of computer monitors are actually a lot less we think? I have read that with certain computer components, and in particular laptops, there are only 2 or 3 manufacturers and they build to the brand's needs. It's the same with other electronics too that I've had dealings with in the past. People often praise one manufacturer over others, when in fact they are made by the same company but have different logos.  :)  Also the screen used on many brands of monitor could be made by the same company, sometimes even a competitor. Don't Sony provide sensors for some Nikon cameras? Also I think it's LG who make some displays for other brands of smartphone.

 

So what are we really getting when we choose a particular brand over another?

 

I have no input on which monitor to recommend, but I thought I'd make that point out of interest.

 

Geoff.

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1 hour ago, GS-Images said:

I wonder if the number of manufacturers of computer monitors are actually a lot less we think? I have read that with certain computer components, and in particular laptops, there are only 2 or 3 manufacturers and they build to the brand's needs. It's the same with other electronics too that I've had dealings with in the past. People often praise one manufacturer over others, when in fact they are made by the same company but have different logos.  :)  Also the screen used on many brands of monitor could be made by the same company, sometimes even a competitor. Don't Sony provide sensors for some Nikon cameras? Also I think it's LG who make some displays for other brands of smartphone.

 

So what are we really getting when we choose a particular brand over another?

 

I have no input on which monitor to recommend, but I thought I'd make that point out of interest.

 

Geoff.

 

There is a limited number of panel makers, but they do produce an awful lot of different panels. However only very few panels are good enough for photographers.

If you want to know which panel is used in a specific monitor and whether there are other monitors that use the same panel, look here.

That whole site is a treasure trove.

There is a TFT Selector that helps you choose a monitor.

Make sure to tick

-  IPS type (including similar PLS / AHVA)
-  Extended Wide gamut (commonly including high % Adobe RGB coverage)
- Photo Work and Editing

The rest is up to you, you can vary a bit if for instance the outcome doesn't suit your budget. But leave those 3 ticked, as they're essential for photography or video.

Some regard Hardware Calibration equally essential, but it's merely more convenient. It will send prices sky high though.

 

Two 24 inch monitors may be cheaper and more comfortable than one 27 or 32 inch.

If you (want to) use a monitor arm, you will have to take the weight into consideration. But you can leave the stands out of your search.

 

Personally I do use two 24 inch monitors mounted on arms and would not want a different setup.

The panels in my Dells appear in 15 other monitors including 3 Eizo's and 4 Nec's (including the most expensive ones).

 

wim

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A week after I posted this thread I've just seen all the replies and am grateful for all the recommendations and ideas. I've actually bought an Asus PA248Q 24" IPS LED LCD HDMI Monitor which suits my budget and which my son has been using for his film work.

 

That said, it still hasn't arrived so I'm using a very old (and blue) screen pulled out of retirement so any imaging will have to wait.

 

Best wishes,

Richard.

 

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