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#101 Bill Brooks

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Posted 2 days ago

I think a very good review of the state of stock photography, and a lot of other photography stuff, is on John and Maria Richmond’s blog here.

 
 
Price and volume are two parts of problem. I cannot see how today anyone can raise the price of a stock photograph above the market price.
 
However we can raise the volume of our sales, and therefore our income, by placing our image collection in every possible photo library that will take it.
 
This would require that we only produce non exclusive RF images and accept a low price per sale, in return for more distribution and a higher income.
 
Professional stock photo producers, still in the business, are already doing this. However this solution seems to be unacceptable with the Alamy Forum crowd.

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#102 regen

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"by placing our image collection in every possible photo library that will take it."

 

Which is great if all the libraries sing from the same hymn sheet - otherwise they just undercut/offer special deals etc which allows the customer to shop around for the cheapest price for the same picture.

 

Surely all this does is increase the availability and accelerate the race to the bottom. 

 

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#103 Betty LaRue

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Posted 2 days ago

Not everybody has the time to upload to many agencies and do everything else to juggle the process.
I wish I did have the time. I'm barely able to carve out the time to do what's necessary here.
1. I'm no longer working outside the home, but since my husband has dementia, I do everything. Housework, cooking, laundry, legal things, insurance, auto maintenance, painting inside and out while attempting to talk hubby out of his hallucinations.

A woman never gets to retire. I'm busier now than when I worked outside the home. My situation is unique, but there are many who also have unique problems.

So right now, Alamy is it. I went two months without being able to shoot. Professionals do what you say because....well, they're professionals. That's about all they have to do. That said, I need to get paid appropriately for images that clearly aren't PU material.
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#104 John Mitchell

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Posted 2 days ago


I think a very good review of the state of stock photography, and a lot of other photography stuff, is on John and Maria Richmond’s blog here.

http://trainerjohnph...art-fourth.html

Price and volume are two parts of problem. I cannot see how today anyone can raise the price of a stock photograph above the market price.

However we can raise the volume of our sales, and therefore our income, by placing our image collection in every possible photo library that will take it.

This would require that we only produce non exclusive RF images and accept a low price per sale, in return for more distribution and a higher income.

Professional stock photo producers, still in the business, are already doing this. However this solution seems to be unacceptable with the Alamy Forum crowd.


Bill, it isn't so much that the crowd doesn't accept your analysis, it's more a matter of our (speaking for myself of course) not being convinced that the increased sales volume and higher income would actually materialize. Congratulations on being brave enough to take the plunge into non-exclusive RF. Please keep us posted on how things are going.

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#105 John Richmond

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Posted 2 days ago

 

I think a very good review of the state of stock photography, and a lot of other photography stuff, is on John and Maria Richmond’s blog here.

 
 
Price and volume are two parts of problem. I cannot see how today anyone can raise the price of a stock photograph above the market price.
 
However we can raise the volume of our sales, and therefore our income, by placing our image collection in every possible photo library that will take it.
 
This would require that we only produce non exclusive RF images and accept a low price per sale, in return for more distribution and a higher income.
 
Professional stock photo producers, still in the business, are already doing this. However this solution seems to be unacceptable with the Alamy Forum crowd.

 

Thanks for referring to my photography blog, Bill.  Although I had to go and re-read it to remember what I'd written.  :)

 

The last twenty years of my working life was spent delivering services to business or advising them on IT or training related matters through my employment with Business Link here in the UK.  That experience colours everything I do or say.  And what I can say is that stock photography is, like it or not, a business.  We all have to make calculations as to what is best for our individual circumstances.  In my own case, because I work in a specialist area, I prefer to keep everything RM and only - at the moment - distribute through Alamy.  It's working for me and my photography, although, as I intimated on the blog, it's not a way to make a living except in the long term and with a lot more images than my current 4150.  I personally don't feel that I would benefit from going RF and distributing through other channels, particularly when other agencies I might consider actually distribute through Alamy.  

 

However, it's a calculation we all have to make for ourselves.  You've decided, because it works for you, that RF and lots of outlets is the way to go.  If I was producing different images or image types I'd possibly make the same calculation.  Once you get beyond the simple thrill of seeing your work published and paid for - and after only three years I'm well past that stage - it is a question of maximising income. 

 

Which brings us back to personal use.  Let's face it, we'll all try and get a bargain if we can.  Buyers are no different.  They'll exploit loopholes and shop around.  They can't be blamed.  Unless they deliberately misrepresent themselves. And that's when Alamy needs to step in.  They're the only ones with all the information.  

 

Whether they have the resources is another matter.

 

Just to update a couple of figures from the blog post.  I'm now up to 213 sales and $5982 in gross sales.  Worthwhile?  I'll leave the forum to judge.  Oh, and don't bother to try generating extra income from Google Ads if you also have blogs on Blogger.  I've made the princely sum of £32.82 after 6 years with two blogs.  They don't pay out until I reach £60.  2021 maybe?


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#106 Ed Rooney

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Posted 2 days ago

It's nice to hear your own version of your own story, John. Although I wasn't planning to become the Uploading Champion of the Western World.  :wacko:


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#107 John Richmond

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Posted 2 days ago

It's nice to hear your own version of your own story, John. Although I wasn't planning to become to Uploading Champion of the Western World.  :wacko:

Thanks Ed.  There's a lot of lessons we can all learn from a true professional.  Long may you continue your lessons,

 

And so to bed.


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#108 vpics

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Posted 2 days ago

I had a few of those this month:

 

Country: Worldwide
Usage: Presentation or newsletters, Use in a presentation/talk (eg,Powerpoint and Keynote) or in an editorial newsletter.
Start: 28 May 2017
End: 28 May 2022

 

Is "presentation or newsletters" the new "personal use"?


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#109 Thyrsis

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Posted 2 days ago

I had a few of those this month:

Country: WorldwideUsage: Presentation or newsletters, Use in a presentation/talk (eg,Powerpoint and Keynote) or in an editorial newsletter.Start: 28 May 2017End: 28 May 2022

Is "presentation or newsletters" the new "personal use"?

Looks like it:
Country: Worldwide
Usage: Presentation or newsletters, Use in a presentation/talk (eg,Powerpoint and Keynote) or in a newsletter.
Start: 26 May 2017
End: 26 May 2022

For the grand sum of $12.56. For 5 years?

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#110 vpics

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Posted 2 days ago

 

I had a few of those this month:

Country: WorldwideUsage: Presentation or newsletters, Use in a presentation/talk (eg,Powerpoint and Keynote) or in an editorial newsletter.Start: 28 May 2017End: 28 May 2022

Is "presentation or newsletters" the new "personal use"?

Looks like it:
Country: Worldwide
Usage: Presentation or newsletters, Use in a presentation/talk (eg,Powerpoint and Keynote) or in a newsletter.
Start: 26 May 2017
End: 26 May 2022

For the grand sum of $12.56. For 5 years?

 

Yup, 5 years. 12.56 and 10.66 respectively. :-(


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#111 Marmot

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Posted 22 hours ago

Why would anyone what a picture of 4 medicinal capsules in blister pack wrapping for "Personal Use"???  Again, for 5 years.  Only consolation was that the image was RF and I got a whopping $14.11 :unsure:


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#112 Cecile Marion

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Posted 21 hours ago

A poster board for a student project, perhaps?
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#113 Marmot

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Posted 19 hours ago

Maybe, Cecile! :)


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#114 GS-Images

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Posted 15 hours ago

A PU sale just came through. They must think they have great deal to get a chimney, chimney protector and TV aerials for so little.  :rolleyes:   Shall I report this and get it refunded? Hmmm not sure.

 

Geoff.

 

wire-balloon-chimney-cowl-bird-guard-ove

 

 

Well it's now been refunded. I didn't report it. I guess the customer wrote to Alamy asking why their chimney hadn't been delivered. I supposed they would say they thought they were buying a chimney protector. Did they not think it was odd that they didn't have to give any details about it, such a the size or anything else, before handing over their money?

 

Of course they have a refund now, and a high resolution photo of mine to use for their business advertising that I'm sure they won't use for anything.

 

Geoff.


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#115 Cryptoprocta

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Posted 15 hours ago

Why would anyone what a picture of 4 medicinal capsules in blister pack wrapping for "Personal Use"???  Again, for 5 years.  Only consolation was that the image was RF and I got a whopping $14.11 :unsure:

It may be that someone thinks they're getting the actual medicine. That's what was suggested on here when I got one, and it was refunded fairly quickly. However, I also got one last month which hasn't been refunded (or paid for) yet; and another this month - AFTER I'd written in the description 'NB this is a stock photo of medications, NOT a sale of the medication itself'. I only wrote it in English, though.

Really, all my PU sales have been 'not the sort of picture you'd expect to be personal use', but I do Google reverse searches on them from time to time and haven't caught any out so far.

I can imagine a much wider range of images for 'presentations'.

 

Also, as someone reported earlier in this thread, I've just noticed that I had a file zoomed over the weekend which then sold. Zooms are only supposed to be the best Alamy buyers, and it's a photo someone would only want for personal use if they were in the photo or closely connected with the localised subject matter (though editorially it could have a broader use). Very suspicious indeed, email going to Contributor Services.


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