Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 I know there are a few (quite a lot) of forum members using the Sony RX100 MkIII out there and would like to ask your opinion on the eye level viewfinder. How easy and quickly is it to deploy in a situation where speed is needed to capture a fleeting shot? Do you leave it permanently ready to use? How often do you use the ELV in preference to the rear screen? Do you find that you never use the ELV now you have it? Do you find that the ELV is always in use? Asking the above as I am thinking of replacing my ageing Mk I, which is still working and a good camera except coating has rubbed off viewing screen, with the MkIII as I like the idea of having the ELV. I know the lens is of shorter focal length but that does not concern me. The other benefit, as far as I can make out, is that the MkIII has the Bionz X image processor giving improved sharpness. Also it is selling for only £499 at most outlets over the Easter period. Thank you for your time. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Walker Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Hi Allan I have the M3 and use the EVF on occasions when the sun is directly on the screen. It works well and is fairly quick to deploy. My only gripe with it is that as I wear glasses, it's too easy to knock the finder into the half closed position. I set the diopter to suit me not wearing glasses and push my glasses up onto my forehead while taking the shot. It would be better if the finder would have a more positive lock to hold in position. John £499 is a good price - it's not that long back that they were selling secondhand at around that price! I find the IQ improved as against the M1 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Thank you John. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin P Wilson Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Hi Allan I have the M3 and use the EVF on occasions when the sun is directly on the screen. It works well and is fairly quick to deploy. My only gripe with it is that as I wear glasses, it's too easy to knock the finder into the half closed position. I set the diopter to suit me not wearing glasses and push my glasses up onto my forehead while taking the shot. It would be better if the finder would have a more positive lock to hold in position. John £499 is a good price - it's not that long back that they were selling secondhand at around that price! I find the IQ improved as against the M1 version. So it is not just me. As a glasses wearer I have the same issue and that is why I have avoided the RX100. I try each generation as it is launched and come to the same conclusion, I can only assume most people do not use the EVF hence few complaints to Sony. I don't like cameras without viewfinders. I eventually gave up and bought a used Fuji X100T which, of course, is not the same sort of thing at all. I still want a light RX100-like camera for my wife that I can also use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 >>> I'll respond to each of your questions, Allan, then comment on the eye glasses issue. I know there are a few (quite a lot) of forum members using the Sony RX100 MkIII out there and would like to ask your opinion on the eye level viewfinder. >>> If the Mk-3 did not have that eye-level viewfinder, I wouldn't own it. How easy and quickly is it to deploy in a situation where speed is needed to capture a fleeting shot? >>> For me, it's very easy to use . . . now. But as with any piece of equipment that has been totally redesigned, it takes some getting used to. Do you leave it permanently ready to use? >>> When I'm done with a subject, I turn it off and slip it back in my pocket. This is all automatic with me now, and it seems totally natural. How often do you use the ELV in preference to the rear screen? Do you find that you never use the ELV now you have it? >>> I use it most of the time on the street, but I do find that the movable screen is a great tool too, for tabletop and in some situations. Do you find that the ELV is always in use? >>> "Always" is not a good term to take seriously. Asking the above as I am thinking of replacing my ageing Mk I, which is still working and a good camera except coating has rubbed off viewing screen, with the MkIII as I like the idea of having the ELV. >>> I have screen protectors on all my other Sonys, and I wish I had put one on the Mk-3 too. The new Sony screen on this little camera is much improved, however. I know the lens is of shorter focal length but that does not concern me. The other benefit, as far as I can make out, is that the MkIII has the Bionz X image processor giving improved sharpness. >>> I have been shooting for a very long time, and I feel the change in visual personality from 28mm to 24mm. The 24 is much loved by me . . . and it's the best setting on my littlest Sony. Look at this image below and at the upper-left corner windows and the shoes on the lower right at f/2.8. This is a great zoom and at its best at 24mm. Bionx X? What wine do you serve with that? Also it is selling for only £499 at most outlets over the Easter period. >>> Wow! Get me a couple! >>> I've been dragging my feet about my need for new eye glasses, but I have none of the problems others have mentioned. I wear a baseball cap to keep the sun out of my eyes. Most of what we shoot now is in a horizontal view. When I shoot verticals I don't reach my arm above my head. Instead I use my thump from below. Basically, as I said above, this camera, this line of cameras, is a new design and so takes a little getting used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Many thank you's Ed for your very detailed reply. Allan Also it is selling for only £499 at most outlets over the Easter period. >>> Wow! Get me a couple! Plus shipping to the states? ITMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 £ 499 ........... isn't that quite expensive for a tutu? Cheers, Philippe NOT when they are made by repetto of Paris. Allan PS. Have you finished binging yet? Marianne and I could do with a bit more assistance. ITMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 £ 499 ........... isn't that quite expensive for a tutu? Cheers, Philippe NOT when they are made by repetto of Paris. Allan PS. Have you finished binging yet? Marianne and I could do with a bit more assistance. ITMA "Binging" ....??? What the hell is binging? No such word in my dictionaries And what are you doing with Marianne? .......... ...... ... tingeling! Penny dropped I can't choose! Which of my toys should I bring? Are we off-topic? Cheers, Philippe Hi Philippe, Binging dictionary definition: binge noun a period of excessive indulgence in an activity, especially drinking alcohol or eating: he went on a binge and was in no shape to drive. verb (binges, bingeing or binging, binged) [no object] indulge in an activity, especially eating, to excess: she binged on ice cream. Marianne and I are holding off three black Hummers, just. Bring two down and three across, Please. Hurry, Allan Slightly off topic but it is my post so do not mind. ITMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Note tried to post emoticon at end of last post but was stopped. Apparently we can only have 10 (TEN) emoji in any one post and you had used them up Philippe. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Only £499. Hmmm... let's see, that's over $800 CAN. You guys must be licensing a lot more images than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Only £499. Hmmm... let's see, that's over $800 CAN. You guys must be licensing a lot more images than I am. Nah! Pension kicked in. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 £ 499 ........... isn't that quite expensive for a tutu? Cheers, Philippe NOT when they are made by repetto of Paris. AllanPS. Have you finished binging yet? Marianne and I could do with a bit more assistance. ITMA "Binging" ....??? What the hell is binging? No such word in my dictionaries And what are you doing with Marianne? .......... ...... ...tingeling!Penny dropped I can't choose! Which of my toys should I bring? Are we off-topic? Cheers, Philippe Hi Philippe, Binging dictionary definition: binge[/size] noun[/size] a period of excessive indulgence in an activity, especially drinking alcohol or eating: he went on a binge and was in no shape to drive.[/size] verb (binges, bingeing or binging, binged) [no object] [/size] indulge in an activity, especially eating, to excess: she binged on ice cream.[/size] Marianne and I are holding off three black Hummers, just. Bring two down and three across, Please. Hurry, Allan Slightly off topic but it is my post so do not mind. ITMA "It's my party and I can cry if I want to...cry if I want to, cry if I want to" old rock and roll American song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Only £499. Hmmm... let's see, that's over $800 CAN. You guys must be licensing a lot more images than I am. Nah! Pension kicked in. Allan I see. Unfortunately, mine goes in one door and out the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 £ 499 ........... isn't that quite expensive for a tutu? Cheers, Philippe NOT when they are made by repetto of Paris. AllanPS. Have you finished binging yet? Marianne and I could do with a bit more assistance. ITMA "Binging" ....??? What the hell is binging? No such word in my dictionariesAnd what are you doing with Marianne? .......... ...... ...tingeling!Penny dropped I can't choose! Which of my toys should I bring? Are we off-topic? Cheers, Philippe Hi Philippe, Binging dictionary definition: binge[/size] noun[/size] a period of excessive indulgence in an activity, especially drinking alcohol or eating: he went on a binge and was in no shape to drive.[/size] verb (binges, bingeing or binging, binged) [no object] [/size] indulge in an activity, especially eating, to excess: she binged on ice cream.[/size] Marianne and I are holding off three black Hummers, just. Bring two down and three across, Please. Hurry, Allan Slightly off topic but it is my post so do not mind. ITMA "It's my party and I can cry if I want to...cry if I want to, cry if I want to" old rock and roll American song. OK Betty, you cry at your party, I will laugh and enjoy my party. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 15, 2017 Author Share Posted April 15, 2017 Only £499. Hmmm... let's see, that's over $800 CAN. You guys must be licensing a lot more images than I am. Nah! Pension kicked in. Allan I see. Unfortunately, mine goes in one door and out the other. Comes in one door goes out another. Nice to be able to select which door it leaves by. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadet Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Philippe, considering most of your beer is stronger than my favourite white wine (Mosel Riesling) it's extraordinary how we got the reputation for binge drinking. Is it long practice, or are you just are weaned onto it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mitchell Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Only £499. Hmmm... let's see, that's over $800 CAN. You guys must be licensing a lot more images than I am. Nah! Pension kicked in. Allan I see. Unfortunately, mine goes in one door and out the other. Comes in one door goes out another. Nice to be able to select which door it leaves by. Allan Actually, it's always the same door -- the one marked "debt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidl Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 The MK111 was all I was using towards the end of last year and I've stopped uploading now and entering the realm of the fully retired.I used the evf almost all of the time, in fact all of the time outdoors. Only used the back screen for the occasional video and indoor stuff. One annoying thing is if you close the viewfinder the camera shuts down.The flash got wet and stopped working but it seems sony repair UK are as bad as a bad thing on a bad day and are expensive (See my thread Anyone used sony repair in the UK). So it will retire with me in it's current state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Since the MK111 is an assault rifle, I'll assume that's a typo. I've never had a problem with the closing of the EVF shutting off the camera on my RX100/3; that's just the way it works, and all equipment that has a new design takes an adjustment on the part of the user. Try working with the Sony NEX-7. I've never used the popup flash. Must try that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 Back to the topic, I use the viewfinder most of the time. My biggest problem at first was remembering the little slide movement that's necessary when I popped it up. I thought it was broken before my brain kicked in. It's all pretty fast, but f course not as fast as a viewfinder you don't pop up. I don't find it any problem, I've never missed the shot I want. When I don't use the viewfinder. When I'm in spy camera mode. Indoors at shops and malls. People notice when I bring any camera up to my eye, but seldom do when I don't. I've never been challenged, and have sold some of those images. The articulating screen is great for that. Betty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 Back to the topic, I use the viewfinder most of the time. My biggest problem at first was remembering the little slide movement that's necessary when I popped it up. I thought it was broken before my brain kicked in. It's all pretty fast, but f course not as fast as a viewfinder you don't pop up. I don't find it any problem, I've never missed the shot I want. When I don't use the viewfinder. When I'm in spy camera mode. Indoors at shops and malls. People notice when I bring any camera up to my eye, but seldom do when I don't. I've never been challenged, and have sold some of those images. The articulating screen is great for that. Betty Thanks for bringing me back to Earth Betty. Got my new Mk3 last week, only shot a few so far but I am liking it. Allan Edit to add: And I'm keeping my Mk1 too. ITMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty LaRue Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I've still got my Mk1, too, Alan. If something goes wrong with one, I have a fall-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff s Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just to hijack the thread slightly, are there particular reasons why the Sony seems infinitely more popular than the Panasonic LX100, which also looks to be a nice little camera. I haven't seen either of them in the flesh but am instinctively drawn to the nobs and dials of the Panasonic. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Bell Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just to hijack the thread slightly, are there particular reasons why the Sony seems infinitely more popular than the Panasonic LX100, which also looks to be a nice little camera. I haven't seen either of them in the flesh but am instinctively drawn to the nobs and dials of the Panasonic. Geoff I looked at the LX100 some time ago as I was drawn to the ELVF. I found the VF on the LX100 to be too small and poor quality for taking photos. Allan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Chapman Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just to hijack the thread slightly, are there particular reasons why the Sony seems infinitely more popular than the Panasonic LX100, which also looks to be a nice little camera. I haven't seen either of them in the flesh but am instinctively drawn to the nobs and dials of the Panasonic. Geoff The LX100 is 25% heavier and quite a bit larger (over 33% thicker), so it's not quite as "pocketable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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