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Hello,

 

I am finding that some of my tags aren't coming out as I expected.

Suppose I want, amongst others, the following tags on a photograph:

 

  • South Devon
  • Railway
  • Station
  • Blue Sky

 

In the list of keywords, I am putting:

 

"South Devon" Railway Station "Blue Sky"

 

The problem I am seeing is that sometimes Alamy seems to interpret this as I want (and I get the tags as in the bullet point list above)  and other times it interprets it as:

 

  • South Devon
  • Railway Station
  • Blue Sky

 

.. so 'Railway' and 'Station' are getting combined (maybe not terrible in this example but... ). 

 

Am I doing something wrong? Is there a better way? Or is this just a known issue that people work around?

 

Many Thanks,

Matt

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I've noticed this, too. Just recently, because of threads discussing this problem, I've gone back to putting commas back in as a separator instead of spaces. Trouble is, when the keywords show up in manage images, they have spaces. If I don't have so many keywords in Main, I leave the spaces and just add commas. If I have lots of keywords and need more room, then I backspace and then add commas. Which is more time-consuming.

Another thing I do is put phrases with quotes at the beginning next to each other rather than scattered throughout. It seems to work better.

I have some images that I didn't do this with that I need to go back and fix.

Betty

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South Devon, Railway, Station, Blue Sky

 

or "South Devon" Railway, Station "Blue Sky"

 

dd

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South Devon, Railway, Station, Blue Sky

 

or "South Devon" Railway, Station "Blue Sky"

 

dd

"South Devon" "blue Sky" railway, station,

 

But the way I would do It is not quote around blue sky. If you have an important phrase, oe several, put them at the beginning, then everything else separated by commas. Blue sky is not important, and if the phrase has a comma before and after, I think it will be treated as a phrase anyway. It is when you put quotes around a phrase, then have several keywords, then another phrase with quotes, I think the keywords between the quoted phrases are treated as a phrase. Especially if you only use spaces. Not sure if they are separated if you use a comma after the singles.

This is how I do it.

 

"Will Rogers Park" "baby girl" "white tulips" Will Rogers Park, white tulips, mother,baby girl,infant,baby,female,blue sky,

I have some I have to correct because I did this:

"Will Rogers park" baby mother family "white tulips"

Baby mother family was treated as a phrase instead of single keywords. Not sure if I put commas after baby,mother,family, sandwiched between two phrases surrounded with quotes, how they would be treated. I think, as long as I use commas, they'd be treated as singles. Need to test it.

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I'm not so organised that I order phrases first, then single words . . . I do it as I go along, as I showed above--more convenient, requires less organisation-type thinking on my part, and it works :-)

 

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This is what Alamy said on this subject a while ago.

 

We have a small change in the display of keywords in the live. This is part of the recent comp changes we’ve made.

 

According to the current logic , 4 or less keywords not separated by any specific separator (comma, quotes ) will be considered as a phrase and they’ll not be separated by commas in the live site.

                

It’ll be separated only if you use any allowed separator (comma, quotes) or if the number of words together is greater than 4.

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This is what Alamy said on this subject a while ago.

 

We have a small change in the display of keywords in the live. This is part of the recent comp changes we’ve made.

 

According to the current logic , 4 or less keywords not separated by any specific separator (comma, quotes ) will be considered as a phrase and they’ll not be separated by commas in the live site.

                

It’ll be separated only if you use any allowed separator (comma, quotes) or if the number of words together is greater than 4.

 

This confuses me even more. What does "current logic" mean? Do we now have to use commas or quotes around phrases or no longer have to use them? Isn't this saying that if a phrase contains four or fewer words, no separators are needed?

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This is what Alamy said on this subject a while ago.

 

We have a small change in the display of keywords in the live. This is part of the recent comp changes we’ve made.

 

According to the current logic , 4 or less keywords not separated by any specific separator (comma, quotes ) will be considered as a phrase and they’ll not be separated by commas in the live site.

                

It’ll be separated only if you use any allowed separator (comma, quotes) or if the number of words together is greater than 4.

 

This confuses me even more. What does "current logic" mean? Do we now have to use commas or quotes around phrases or no longer have to use them? Isn't this saying that if a phrase contains four or fewer words, no separators are needed?

 

 

 

The way I read it is; if the only keywords are River Thames at night then it is considered to be a phrase, but River Thames on a dark night is six separate keywords, and River, Thames, at, night is four separate keywords.  

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This is what Alamy said on this subject a while ago.

 

We have a small change in the display of keywords in the live. This is part of the recent comp changes we’ve made.

 

According to the current logic , 4 or less keywords not separated by any specific separator (comma, quotes ) will be considered as a phrase and they’ll not be separated by commas in the live site.

                

It’ll be separated only if you use any allowed separator (comma, quotes) or if the number of words together is greater than 4.

 

This confuses me even more. What does "current logic" mean? Do we now have to use commas or quotes around phrases or no longer have to use them? Isn't this saying that if a phrase contains four or fewer words, no separators are needed?

 

 

 

The way I read it is; if the only keywords are River Thames at night then it is considered to be a phrase, but River Thames on a dark night is six separate keywords, and River, Thames, at, night is four separate keywords.  

 

 

Think I'm permanently confused at this point. Hopefully, Alamy's search engine isn't. That's what really counts, I suppose.

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You can do this.

"Bluefish Lake" water,dam,path,"rural Oklahoma"

 

OR

 

"Bluefish Lake"frozen water dam path "rural Oklahoma"

 

The first only has 3 keywords between the phrases with quotes, so you need commas after each, otherwise, water dam path will become a phrase.

But in the 2nd example, since there are 4 keywords (can be more) between the phrases with quotes, you don't need a comma after each. They each will be seen as one keyword. Has to be 4 or more, though.

This also works:

bluefish lake,water,dam,path,rural Oklahoma,

OR

Bluefish Lake,frozen water dam path,rural Oklahoma,

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Wow, I did not know this one. I have been using only spaces (as specified in Keywording do's here: http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/captions-keywords-descriptions.asp). Now have to think whether I should go back and start to put commas instead of spaces. I have around 1,000 images where I might need to do this. Ouch. Thanks for this post, since will be careful while posting.

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Think I'm finally getting the idea, but here is my dumb question of the day. Once a phrase is encased in quotation marks, will the keywords it contains still be searchable individually. For example, if I have "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" in quotes, will Vancouver and Canada still be searchable as individual keywords or do I have add them outside the quotes as well (i.e. "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" Vancouver, Canada, etc.)?

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Think I'm finally getting the idea, but here is my dumb question of the day. Once a phrase is encased in quotation marks, will the keywords it contains still be searchable individually. For example, if I have "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" in quotes, will Vancouver and Canada still be searchable as individual keywords or do I have add them outside the quotes as well (i.e. "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" Vancouver, Canada, etc.)?

I do but I'm not sure if it's necessary. I used to use square brackets to cover that situation as described here: http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/annotation-options.asp

 

However I don't do that anymore as I'm pretty sure I read the system currently doesn't recognise them. I can't provide a link to that though. So now it's quotes for the phrase and then the individual words for me.

 

Michael

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Think I'm finally getting the idea, but here is my dumb question of the day. Once a phrase is encased in quotation marks, will the keywords it contains still be searchable individually. For example, if I have "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" in quotes, will Vancouver and Canada still be searchable as individual keywords or do I have add them outside the quotes as well (i.e. "Vancouver British Columbia Canada" Vancouver, Canada, etc.)?

I do but I'm not sure if it's necessary. I used to use square brackets to cover that situation as described here: http://www.alamy.com/contributor/help/annotation-options.asp

 

However I don't do that anymore as I'm pretty sure I read the system currently doesn't recognise them. I can't provide a link to that though. So now it's quotes for the phrase and then the individual words for me.

 

Michael

 

 

Sounds like that could be the way to go. I used to include the whole mess -- square brackets, quotes, and commas. However, I stopped a couple of years ago because I thought they weren't necessary any longer. In fact, I've even gone back and removed brackets and quotes in some images. Oy vey.

 

Anyone else repeating individual keywords that have already been put in quotes?

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I've been putting my name in quotes in my keywords and still get the first and last searchable separately, alas. They only appear linked in the keyword listing in the zoom.

 

Paulette

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I thought this issue had been 'fixed', as I didn't seem to see too many false search results of this kind for a while, but it seems to have appeared again. Two recent examples from my own Manage Images:

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Notice that the different words in the search are in different areas and that I separate phrases with commas.

And Yes, I see I have 'female woman' when I already have woman  in Esskeys in the lower example, and that I haven't put Edinburgh University into the keywords in the top example. I'll fix these now, but I wanted the screenshot to show how I keyworded the files.

Is there anything we can do to prevent this? Buyers must be extremely annoyed by this sort of false return.

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